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I just joined the mailing list and I'm not sure how to reply
properly. I intend to reply to the thread titled "Re: [blag-whereto]
shutdown/removal of blag vm" so feel free to move or delete this
message if it gets posted to a new thread.<br>
<br>
I previously sent a message to this thread but it didn't get posted
because I wasn't a registered member. I essentially said that I
would be disappointed to see this project shut down completely. I am
not a developer but I am interested in supporting blag with whatever
limited skills that I can offer. I think that this would be a great
opportunity to learn about the development of a distro, and I would
feel nice knowing that I'm contributing to a free software project
such as this one.<br>
<br>
I'm trying my best to learn about coding and development in whatever
little free time I have, so maybe I can contribute more down the
line, provided the servers don't get shut down. Moreover, it still
appears that there are newcomers like me who are interested in blag
- someone dropped in the IRC channel to ask some questions about
blag because he was interested in installing it on an older
computer. I've mostly only seen junichiro in IRC and sometimes
genpashiro, but I'm glad that veganix, vladomiro, and some others
having been stopping by to chat as of late. Hopefully the discussion
and interest will be sustained so that regular development can be
picked up again.<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/26/2013 04:08 PM,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vladimirpunk@radiomexico.com">vladimirpunk@radiomexico.com</a> wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:2adfc096a3d6acc1a93e7ebebf63cc3dff05c2f6@webmail.mailmonstruo.com"
type="cite">Sorry, I made a mistake and only send it to Alexandre,
I resend it.<br>
Well, this is the begining, at least we are discussing who are in
and what we are able to do, I will just add a question according
to what Alexandre says, the security problems are derivated of the
unmaintened distribution, so if we come with a new one they will
dissapear, or are derivated of fedora versions? I've got problems
to conect to irc channel, but right now I in it.<br>
<br>
We are in the way, let's keep on going.<br>
<blockquote> Vladimir (vladomiro) <br>
<br>
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<div style="font-weight:bold;">De:</div>
Alexandre Oliva <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:lxoliva@fsfla.org">lxoliva@fsfla.org</a>></div>
<br>
<div style="font-weight:bold;">Para:</div>
"tristan" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:pinmaritim@riseup.net">pinmaritim@riseup.net</a>><br>
<div style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</div>
<br>
<div style="font-weight:bold;">Enviado:</div>
Mon, 23 Sep 2013 16:08:57 -0300<br>
<div style="font-weight:bold;">Asunto:</div>
Re: [blag-whereto] shutdown/removal of blag vm<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sep 22, 2013, tristan wrote:<br>
<br>
> i don't understand;you seem to have no support from the
FSF & Gnu-org.<br>
> Why?<br>
<br>
Why do you say that?<br>
<br>
We got all the support we asked for from the FSF and GNU.<br>
<br>
The only one uncomfortable with the current arrangement is
myself,<br>
because as far as the FSF is concerned, I'm the contact point
WRT that<br>
server, which makes me feel personally responsible for any
harm that the<br>
FSF and the other projects hosted by it might suffer should
our AFAICT<br>
insecure server be broken into.<br>
<br>
That, plus my perception that there's no maintenance work
underway in<br>
the blag community, therefore no perspective that existing
holes will be<br>
fixed with security updates or new releases, plus the feedback
I got on<br>
our IRC channel that blag was effectively dead, made me
discuss with the<br>
FSF what path to take, for there'd be no point in the FSF's
lending<br>
computing resources and taking risks if nothing good for the
free<br>
software movement is ever going to come out of it.<br>
<br>
Now, since there is clearly a community that cares about blag
carrying<br>
on, I can hope out of this community something good for the
movement<br>
*will* come out, and I'll be very glad to help make it happen.<br>
<br>
> what can we do ?as average users with no technical
knowledge;<br>
> is it a question of finance?<br>
> or of mainteneers&developpers?servers?<br>
<br>
My feeling is that we need maintainers/developers; it seemed
to me like<br>
BLAG was hopelessly abandoned by all former developers, and
RMS even<br>
told me last time he tried to get more maint/developers for
blag,<br>
nothing came out of it. Under that light, shutting down would
seem<br>
reasonable, does it not? ;-)<br>
<br>
Anyway, I'm sure we need more maintainers and developers, and
if we<br>
can't get that with community action (say, sufficiently caring
user<br>
becoming maintainers or enlisting other volunteers to do so
;-), maybe<br>
trying to crowdfund a paid position is something we could
consider, if<br>
we can find someone who would like to do the job but couldn't
do it well<br>
without such financial support.<br>
<br>
> if Blag dissapears i would be very unhappy with the
Gnu-org<br>
> & the Fsf,considering that they have not defended
such a great project.<br>
<br>
I'm sorry that you felt that way; I hope you now agree that it
was a<br>
misperception. I don't see a wish in GNU or in the FSF that
BLAG will<br>
go away (quite the opposite), but ultimately it is our
collective<br>
responsibility to keep it alive. Let's make it so!<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Alexandre Oliva, freedom fighter <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://FSFLA.org/%7Elxoliva/">http://FSFLA.org/~lxoliva/</a><br>
You must be the change you wish to see in the world. -- Gandhi<br>
Be Free! -- <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://FSFLA.org/">http://FSFLA.org/</a> FSF Latin
America board member<br>
Free Software Evangelist Red Hat Brazil Compiler Engineer<br>
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