<html><body>Sorry, I made a mistake and only send it to Alexandre, I resend it.<br />Well, this is the begining, at least we are discussing who are in and what we are able to do, I will just add a question according to what Alexandre says, the security problems are derivated of the unmaintened distribution, so if we come with a new one they will dissapear, or are derivated of fedora versions? I've got problems to conect to irc channel, but right now I in it.<br /><br /> We are in the way, let's keep on going.<br /><blockquote> Vladimir (vladomiro) <br /><br /><blockquote><br />----- Mensaje original -----<br /><div style="width:100%;background:rgb(228,228,228);"><div style="font-weight:bold;">De:</div> Alexandre Oliva <<a href="mailto:lxoliva@fsfla.org">lxoliva@fsfla.org</a>></div><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Para:</div>"tristan" <<a href="mailto:pinmaritim@riseup.net">pinmaritim@riseup.net</a>><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</div><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Enviado:</div>Mon, 23 Sep 2013 16:08:57 -0300<br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Asunto:</div>Re: [blag-whereto] shutdown/removal of blag vm<br /><br /><br />
On Sep 22, 2013, tristan wrote:<br /><br />
> i don't understand;you seem to have no support from the FSF & Gnu-org.<br />
> Why?<br /><br />
Why do you say that?<br /><br />
We got all the support we asked for from the FSF and GNU.<br /><br />
The only one uncomfortable with the current arrangement is myself,<br />
because as far as the FSF is concerned, I'm the contact point WRT that<br />
server, which makes me feel personally responsible for any harm that the<br />
FSF and the other projects hosted by it might suffer should our AFAICT<br />
insecure server be broken into.<br /><br />
That, plus my perception that there's no maintenance work underway in<br />
the blag community, therefore no perspective that existing holes will be<br />
fixed with security updates or new releases, plus the feedback I got on<br />
our IRC channel that blag was effectively dead, made me discuss with the<br />
FSF what path to take, for there'd be no point in the FSF's lending<br />
computing resources and taking risks if nothing good for the free<br />
software movement is ever going to come out of it.<br /><br />
Now, since there is clearly a community that cares about blag carrying<br />
on, I can hope out of this community something good for the movement<br />
*will* come out, and I'll be very glad to help make it happen.<br /><br />
> what can we do ?as average users with no technical knowledge;<br />
> is it a question of finance?<br />
> or of mainteneers&developpers?servers?<br /><br />
My feeling is that we need maintainers/developers; it seemed to me like<br />
BLAG was hopelessly abandoned by all former developers, and RMS even<br />
told me last time he tried to get more maint/developers for blag,<br />
nothing came out of it. Under that light, shutting down would seem<br />
reasonable, does it not? ;-)<br /><br />
Anyway, I'm sure we need more maintainers and developers, and if we<br />
can't get that with community action (say, sufficiently caring user<br />
becoming maintainers or enlisting other volunteers to do so ;-), maybe<br />
trying to crowdfund a paid position is something we could consider, if<br />
we can find someone who would like to do the job but couldn't do it well<br />
without such financial support.<br /><br />
> if Blag dissapears i would be very unhappy with the Gnu-org<br />
> & the Fsf,considering that they have not defended such a great project.<br /><br />
I'm sorry that you felt that way; I hope you now agree that it was a<br />
misperception. I don't see a wish in GNU or in the FSF that BLAG will<br />
go away (quite the opposite), but ultimately it is our collective<br />
responsibility to keep it alive. Let's make it so!<br /><br />
-- <br />
Alexandre Oliva, freedom fighter <a href="http://FSFLA.org/~lxoliva/">http://FSFLA.org/~lxoliva/</a><br />
You must be the change you wish to see in the world. -- Gandhi<br />
Be Free! -- <a href="http://FSFLA.org/">http://FSFLA.org/</a> FSF Latin America board member<br />
Free Software Evangelist Red Hat Brazil Compiler Engineer<br /><br />
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