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Hi and Welcome poordog<br>
<br>
Looks like we are on the same boat,<br>
as you i have joined recently and would like to see such a great
distribution<br>
carry on it's long passage.<br>
<br>
Also to add that i didn't realize the involvement of Alexandre Oliva
which i thought<br>
was the developer...sorry,and it does look like the FSF is helping.
I assumed wrong.<br>
<br>
Others such as Junichiro,Weyasay,Veganix are also very involved ...(
there are others which <br>
i don't yet know about..)I guess Blag is alive due to their
commitement...>>THANKS.<br>
for newscomers it takes a bit of time to understand i guess but its
worth it.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 26/09/2013 23:03, poordog a écrit :<br>
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I just joined the mailing list and I'm not sure how to reply
properly. I intend to reply to the thread titled "Re:
[blag-whereto] shutdown/removal of blag vm" so feel free to move
or delete this message if it gets posted to a new thread.<br>
<br>
I previously sent a message to this thread but it didn't get
posted because I wasn't a registered member. I essentially said
that I would be disappointed to see this project shut down
completely. I am not a developer but I am interested in supporting
blag with whatever limited skills that I can offer. I think that
this would be a great opportunity to learn about the development
of a distro, and I would feel nice knowing that I'm contributing
to a free software project such as this one.<br>
<br>
I'm trying my best to learn about coding and development in
whatever little free time I have, so maybe I can contribute more
down the line, provided the servers don't get shut down. Moreover,
it still appears that there are newcomers like me who are
interested in blag - someone dropped in the IRC channel to ask
some questions about blag because he was interested in installing
it on an older computer. I've mostly only seen junichiro in IRC
and sometimes genpashiro, but I'm glad that veganix, vladomiro,
and some others having been stopping by to chat as of late.
Hopefully the discussion and interest will be sustained so that
regular development can be picked up again.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/26/2013 04:08 PM, <a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:vladimirpunk@radiomexico.com">vladimirpunk@radiomexico.com</a>
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:2adfc096a3d6acc1a93e7ebebf63cc3dff05c2f6@webmail.mailmonstruo.com"
type="cite">Sorry, I made a mistake and only send it to
Alexandre, I resend it.<br>
Well, this is the begining, at least we are discussing who are
in and what we are able to do, I will just add a question
according to what Alexandre says, the security problems are
derivated of the unmaintened distribution, so if we come with a
new one they will dissapear, or are derivated of fedora
versions? I've got problems to conect to irc channel, but right
now I in it.<br>
<br>
We are in the way, let's keep on going.<br>
<blockquote> Vladimir (vladomiro) <br>
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<div style="font-weight:bold;">De:</div>
Alexandre Oliva <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:lxoliva@fsfla.org">lxoliva@fsfla.org</a>></div>
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<div style="font-weight:bold;">Para:</div>
"tristan" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:pinmaritim@riseup.net">pinmaritim@riseup.net</a>><br>
<div style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</div>
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<div style="font-weight:bold;">Enviado:</div>
Mon, 23 Sep 2013 16:08:57 -0300<br>
<div style="font-weight:bold;">Asunto:</div>
Re: [blag-whereto] shutdown/removal of blag vm<br>
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On Sep 22, 2013, tristan wrote:<br>
<br>
> i don't understand;you seem to have no support from the
FSF & Gnu-org.<br>
> Why?<br>
<br>
Why do you say that?<br>
<br>
We got all the support we asked for from the FSF and GNU.<br>
<br>
The only one uncomfortable with the current arrangement is
myself,<br>
because as far as the FSF is concerned, I'm the contact
point WRT that<br>
server, which makes me feel personally responsible for any
harm that the<br>
FSF and the other projects hosted by it might suffer should
our AFAICT<br>
insecure server be broken into.<br>
<br>
That, plus my perception that there's no maintenance work
underway in<br>
the blag community, therefore no perspective that existing
holes will be<br>
fixed with security updates or new releases, plus the
feedback I got on<br>
our IRC channel that blag was effectively dead, made me
discuss with the<br>
FSF what path to take, for there'd be no point in the FSF's
lending<br>
computing resources and taking risks if nothing good for the
free<br>
software movement is ever going to come out of it.<br>
<br>
Now, since there is clearly a community that cares about
blag carrying<br>
on, I can hope out of this community something good for the
movement<br>
*will* come out, and I'll be very glad to help make it
happen.<br>
<br>
> what can we do ?as average users with no technical
knowledge;<br>
> is it a question of finance?<br>
> or of mainteneers&developpers?servers?<br>
<br>
My feeling is that we need maintainers/developers; it seemed
to me like<br>
BLAG was hopelessly abandoned by all former developers, and
RMS even<br>
told me last time he tried to get more maint/developers for
blag,<br>
nothing came out of it. Under that light, shutting down
would seem<br>
reasonable, does it not? ;-)<br>
<br>
Anyway, I'm sure we need more maintainers and developers,
and if we<br>
can't get that with community action (say, sufficiently
caring user<br>
becoming maintainers or enlisting other volunteers to do so
;-), maybe<br>
trying to crowdfund a paid position is something we could
consider, if<br>
we can find someone who would like to do the job but
couldn't do it well<br>
without such financial support.<br>
<br>
> if Blag dissapears i would be very unhappy with the
Gnu-org<br>
> & the Fsf,considering that they have not defended
such a great project.<br>
<br>
I'm sorry that you felt that way; I hope you now agree that
it was a<br>
misperception. I don't see a wish in GNU or in the FSF that
BLAG will<br>
go away (quite the opposite), but ultimately it is our
collective<br>
responsibility to keep it alive. Let's make it so!<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Alexandre Oliva, freedom fighter <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://FSFLA.org/%7Elxoliva/">http://FSFLA.org/~lxoliva/</a><br>
You must be the change you wish to see in the world. --
Gandhi<br>
Be Free! -- <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://FSFLA.org/">http://FSFLA.org/</a> FSF Latin
America board member<br>
Free Software Evangelist Red Hat Brazil Compiler Engineer<br>
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