<div class="gmail_quote">Here's Dave Wetzel's take on the question. Can we build a statement around it?</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">How about considering man-made wealth and natural wealth?</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">The former includes buildings, clothes, tools, computers, furniture, vehicles, machinnery etc.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">The latter includes, land, the spectrum, the seas and oceans, sea-life, plants, wildlife, oil, gas, coal, wood and water. </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">Capital is man-made wealth used for producing more wealth. So factories, warehouses, offices, machinery, craftsmen's tools are all capital.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">consider a bicycle for sale in a cycle shop window - it is man-made wealth and is capital.</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">If the purchaser uses it for pleasure - it is man-made wealth but not capital - it is a consumer good.</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">However, a bicycle used by a window cleaner for his business is capital.</div>
<div class="gmail_quote"> <br>Land is natural wealth. All land value should belong to the community - not landowners.</div>
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<div class="h5">2009/8/4 Mark Barrett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marknbarrett@googlemail.com" target="_blank">marknbarrett@googlemail.com</a>></span><br></div></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">FYI see below. </div>
<div class="gmail_quote">Does anyone else feel like putting forward their own definition of wealth?</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">I like the idea you've put forward, of doing a statement that even a child can understand. With justice in this context aren't we talking about the ideal of "economic democracy" ?</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">Democratic justice being about equal rights to share in power, including political-economic power.. </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">About wealth: isn't the earth and its various resources, including the people who inhabit it and their productions the primary human treasury? In my view these real resources should be conserved, and wherever possible used appropriately ie to the furtherance of equality, justice, ecological stewardship and spiritual well being. Of course individual endeavour must be rewarded, but also, somehow, the benefits of humanity's collective work, and the basic value of the whole earth should be shared equally as a basic starting point. </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">And isn't that where LVT comes in? </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">As Winstanley put it, better than almost anyone "the earth is a common treasury for all". [Or, "the meek shall inherit the earth"] ; </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">Are we both talking about the commonwealth? I am just guessing, am no expert. </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">How would others describe wealth? Robin, what is your answer or statement regarding (1)?</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">Cheers, Mark</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">PS I will forward this discussion to the Project 2011 list to see what others come up with. <br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">2009/8/4 Robin Smith <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:robinsmith3@googlemail.com" target="_blank">robinsmith3@googlemail.com</a>></span>
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<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">Certainly can. Though myself I'm looking for a "just" society first<br>and foremost.<br><br>
1) On Economics: The nature of wealth and how it is produced and<br>distributed, for all. Economic justice<br><br>2) On Land Value: This is a subset of economic justice. This is very<br>simple once we have agreed on 1)<br>
<br>Shall we start by defining what we mean by "wealth"? I'd like to hear<br>what you all have to say about that?<br><br>Brgds<br><br>2009/8/4 Mark Barrett <<a href="mailto:marknbarrett@googlemail.com" target="_blank">marknbarrett@googlemail.com</a>>:<br>
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<div>> Dear Robin<br>><br>> Please can we start drafting a statement about economics and land value,<br>> here, as you see it, in relation to how this will make for a really<br>> democratic society?<br>><br>
> Thanks<br>> Mark<br></div></div>
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