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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I heard John Denham Secretary of State talk
about localism the other day at the RSA and it was completely about the role of
local authorities delivering public services.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I asked him what happened to double
devolution and why he didn’t focus more (at all in fact) on communities
as being a local entity in their own right, and something distinct from the
local state and services? He said it was catered for elsewhere in their
policy thinking which is true, but why not make the link explicit?
Community does not equate to the council and localism has to be more than just
what services you are consulted on. My guess is that the election campaigning
starts early and public services are the battleground for our politicians.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The reason why I mention this is because
it shows how the rhetoric of localism and devolved democracy all too often gets
used to invoke radical change, and then instead becomes about what the council
needs to do about services. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think services are important, as is the local
council, but I think we want to see a more than that as a campaign for real
democracy and it is really hard to get councils off this narrow vision and
engage with a more grassroots concern about democracy not as a means to have a
conversation on services, but as something valuable in itself.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>My concern with local assemblies is,
whilst I think they are useful spaces, they can also be easily taken away,
because what is created by a council can also be closed down, but also the
service delivery mantra can be overpowering and we need to create our own
agendas, not be told that it is all about housing, transport, health, safety,
education, environment and here are the indicators we want to achieve etc and
here’s a few bits of small change to tidy up the local park<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Mark Barrett
[mailto:marknbarrett@googlemail.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 22 October 2009 17:11<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> James Holland<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Matthew Scott;
project2012@googlegroups.com; campaignforrealdemocracy@lists.aktivix.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: CRD update from
southwark and lewisham</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>hi james<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>thanks for this, very useful :-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>i also re-attended my local area forum a few weeks back, and was
unsurprised to find it badly chaired as usual, attended my a majority
of white skinned retirees, some of whom have some distinctly unsavoury
attitudes towards people who beg, or have a different cultural background to
name but a couple of examples. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>the councils appear to run these things differently from place to
place. where i am they don't offer grants, they just tell us what they are
planning to do and call it consultation or give us superficial presentations on
matters that deserve far deeper discussion than is allowed by the format.
everyone can speak, but not too much and certainly don't expect much of a
hearing for radical views. if the panel doesn't put you down someone with
aforesaid unsavoury attitudes on the floor might. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>but, at the same time, there are some really good people there,
and every so often there is a glimpse of light..and, after the meeting (which i
left early) some people got in touch from housing co-op group and north
circular housing and development group <a href="http://www.btcag.co.uk/">http://www.btcag.co.uk/</a> and
green party. and we are meeting this sunday to discuss how to go
about democratising the forum so that will be interesting! <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>below this mail i've set out some info on this and matt scott's take on
how easily public bodies (eg local fora) mimick civil society groups without
actually being them; ie the co-option we face <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>also james: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>1. agree 100% about the need to take it down further to sub group level<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>2. about the structural vs campaigning stuff, for now the way i
see it we need campaigning and we need policy wonking. some peope like wonking
more, others campaigning and some like to do both, but maybe to different
degrees. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>a union of localists will need policy to capture the types that
understand policy - hopefully also inspiring them to do more by way of acting
locally too (not least cos they can see there is an embryonic joining up of
sorts around an ideology that goes beyond merely saying lets do it
ourselves in the areas we live, but which actually has a vision of
how all the very best (and, democratically dreamt up) ideas might join
up. but it (policy / structural conversation and commitment) also gives
hope to people who need to see a meaningful plan of how the future will
actually look. not to mention a set of pre-considered demands to put
before the state if it ever comes to that. plus it helps to sharpen
our intellect. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>but also we need to campaign in the here and now, of course,
building aligned cells in each local area. but i see no reason why that process
shouldn't loosely align with an organised programme and a process of
democratic debate about how to link the wider questions of political economy
with the democratic localist agenda. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>anyway, hopefully i'll send another post in the not too distant with a
clearer idea of how i see the two strategies complimenting one another<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>finally, about young people i am working on this ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>all the best, and up the revolution!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>mark<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Hi Mark<br>
<br>
Re the point about public bodies mimicking civil society bodies<br>
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Basically there is always a tension whereby public bodies, especially the local
council, will want to gain kudos as community leaders, and if they can usurp
that role from the voluntary and community sector they will do so. An
example of this is the debate and policy around community empowerment in the <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region> since
2000. It featured in the Neighbourhood Renewal Strategy 2000, and was
implemented by creating CENs - community empowerment networks, (of which I set
up the one in Lewisham) - these CENs had to be run by the volunrary sector and
money for them came staright from central govt to the vol sector umbrella, by
passing the local state, who then lobbied like hell to get them closed down,
which by and large has happened because by 2005 central govt was persuaded by
them (and the fact that most of their voters are in the public sector) that
money for community empowerment should go through the LSPs (local strategic
partnerships ie confidence tricks). Of course the council is the lead and
accountable body for LSPs, i.e. they hold the money and say what goes, and
surprisingly they chose to hold onto the empowerment money and pay their own
staff to do community empowerment more often than passing the money on to the voluntary
sector. The 2006 local government act and 2007 Empowerment Action Plan
made a point of saying 'community empowerment is the main business of local
authorities' but surely their main business is actually service delivery; and
if they were to be empowering, assuming that power can ever be given to anyone,
as opposed to taken, then they would need an actual mandate, but as you know we
are the most centralised state outside of Malta ... so basically because
the state and its fleet of quangos is constantly trying to reinvent itself and
update their failures, they seek to steal the clothes of the more credible
parts of society - the private sector seemed like a good bet in the 80s but now
its all about civil society this and community that etc so stuart etherington
head of ncvo says we will see more of this, but hardly seemed to be bothered if
his members were further crowded out by wannbe statutory agencies getting down
with the community. In some ways well and good if councils, PCTs etc want
to be more credible and informed by local communities but my experience is that
it tends to be very superficial, my analogy would be that to give councils an
empowerment role in the current climate is like putting a vampire in charge of
a bloodbank - by which I mean that the council brand is so toxic and as
instituions they are so top down and brutal that it is hardly credible to think
they can transform themselves etc etc hope that makes sense - bit of a ramble<br>
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Matt<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Hi Mark<br>
thanks for your emails. It would be great to meet up to discuss all
things mentioned. Would you both be available this coming Sunday?
Afternoon time? Failing that we can come up with another date.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Worth discussing:<br>
1. A new format for LAF. They achieve very little other than a forum for
the council keeping us up to date with development but they don't really allow
for proper debate and the Chair is so negative that he probably puts most
people off speaking.<br>
2. Co-op on A406 and Notting Hill Housing Trust plans<br>
3. Retail along A406. I'm looking for some ideas. No-one seems to
know what NHHT will do with the retail units. We need NHHT to invest in
them and re-ignite our shopping centre along the A406 rather than let it die
away.<br>
4. 21st Network. I'd like to know more.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I'm copying in a couple of pals, Jack and Peter, to see if they can
come along and feed into our ideas meeting. Peter also has a housing
background.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Cheers<br>
Laura<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:06:01 +0100<br>
Subject: Re: Important - A406 Bounds Green Upcoming Works<br>
From: <a href="mailto:marknbarrett@googlemail.com">marknbarrett@googlemail.com</a><br>
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Well done on this Laura! Will forward the info around. <br>
<br>
Laura did you get the mail I sent you and Nigel in response to yours? It woud
be great meet up to discuss a way forward for bringing local groups together
more effectively, tech and 'the times' are on our side, plus I have soe
interesting things - in terms of connections with schools, the 21st century
network and other ideas - up my sleeve. Together, we can do quite a lot.
Funnily enough, completely by chance I ran into another dissatisfied Southgate
LAF attender in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Enfield</st1:place></st1:City>
on Saturday. Aside from a general meeting, about LAF would you be interested to
co-convene with me a small operational group for real democracy; as a starting
point to work out and put forward a more inclusive alternative to the current
LAF format? <br>
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I work at a school but next week is half term and will have some time free
before I nip away to <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Cornwall</st1:place></st1:City>
on Wed 28th. Could we meet before then?<br>
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Well done again for all the great work you do<br>
<br>
Mark<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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2009/10/19 laura davenport <<a href="mailto:lauradav1@msn.com">lauradav1@msn.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Hi, I have received the following email from VolkerFitzpatrick who hope to win
the job of road widening along A406. I have spoken with them and they are
very keen to (a) win the job and (b) work with local community groups.
Surely a first !<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>The road scheme as passed 2007 will go ahead. It will include the
widening of Telford Road only, a 7 lane junction at Telford/Bowes Road, a cycle
path along the route, pulling down of Powys Court to create a new left hand
turn and a number of pedestrian crossings, including one at Brownlow/A406
junction.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Please take some time to think about the road being constructed and how
you use the area. What problems to you foresee? Please talk with
friends and neighbours about this and get back to me by this Friday, 23rd
October and I will collate and send forward all our points.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I have briefly mentioned to them:<br>
1. Raise concerns regarding the Ritz Parade and how shops will continue to
function whilst they build in front of them.<br>
2. Confirmed that the old bridge outside <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Bowes</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">School</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>
will only be taken down once the new bridge is built.<br>
3. Problems people will have getting across roads whilst road works take
place. I remember the Head of Broomfield bringing this problem up at a
public meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>See email below and do get back to me. It may be that if they win
the job that we set up a small working group to co-ordinate the work they do and
what the local community needs.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Best wishes<br>
Laura Davenport<br>
BTCAT<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Good Morning BTCAG<br>
<br>
I am currently working on a tender submission for Transport for <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">London</st1:place></st1:City> for the planned
works to the A406 North circular through the bounds green area. I have come across
your website and read through the information contained therein, in an attempt
to find out if there are any special requirements during the works that the
local communities would wish to see us employ. VolkerFitzpatrick as a company
are committed to corporate social responsibility, and are keen to get involved
with any local initiatives for improving sustainability or any environmental
schemes in addition to planned works, that may need help if we are awarded the
works.<br>
<br>
I wonder if you would let me know if there were any such initiatives that you
know of. <br>
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I look forward to your response.<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Kind Regards,<br>
Andrew Gilfrin<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Sub Agent<br>
<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Mobile</st1:place></st1:City>: 07774
008089<br>
<a href="http://www.volkerwessels.co.uk/">www.VolkerWessels.co.uk</a><br>
<a href="http://www.volkerfitzpatrick.co.uk/">www.VolkerFitzpatrick.co.uk</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>2009/10/21 James Holland <<a href="mailto:james@dogmanet.org">james@dogmanet.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>since my last update i've
attended a few local forum/assembly events, a few other things and been doing
some thinking.<br>
<br>
these existing structures are actually surprisingly fruitful but the there a
few things they need to start on the journey towards democracy <br>
<br>
1) more people involved (especially young people) <br>
2) more regular meetings including sub groups on different issues<br>
3) ability to discuss 'big issues' that they may not currently have much
influence over (but that which they might find a way to influence) <br>
4) geographical sub areas - council wards are still WAY bigger than a community
- Telegraph hill is a classic example, the honour oak estate end is so
different / distant from the leafy telegraph hill proper part. <br>
5) they are almost totally focussed on giving money to discrete projects that
ask for it, the ones i've been to are more like board meetings of a grant
making trust, listening to pitches from charities for project funding. i
think it's key that they start to decide to DO things themselves, possibly using
their budgets to do them. but even better do things that don't need any money
at all 'we will spend next saturday clearing a patch of waste ground' 'each of
us will knock on the door of someone locally who we know can't get out of the
house and ask if we can help them' etc<br>
<br>
also, on personal level, creating real democracy can't just be about building
intellectually satisfying democratic structures - it has to be about getting
your hands dirty in the community, getting to know people and making a
contribution, and in fact its a community spirit that is more important than
the exact detail of the structures that govern it.<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:35 AM, James Holland <<a
href="mailto:james@dogmanet.org" target="_blank">james@dogmanet.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I think
my strategy is to push the current set ups, untill they either start to
breakthrough and work well or the council put the brakes on (the most likely
result!) - either way you've got a platform to go further.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>i've been
to one TT brockley meeting, and i will continue to be involved i think. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>hopefully
i'll have chance to meet up with you, either at a meeting or outside, at the
moment i'm still in the research phase - trying to work out whats going on..
however i'm quite enthusiastic about the nunhead area becoming something of
'beacon' (as it's already going quite well) at the same time as trying to stir
something in a few other areas (particularly new cross / telegraph hill)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>my phone
number is 07905 685 906 please let mek now if there's any events or peole you
think i should particulalry know about<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>james
holland<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Oct 12, 2009 7:00 PM,
"Matthew Scott" <<a
href="mailto:Matt@communitysectorcoalition.org.uk" target="_blank">Matt@communitysectorcoalition.org.uk</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Hi James</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>I live in Brockley SE4; I have avoided my local assembly to date,
only because I have had extensive interaction with the council at the local
strategic partnership level and neighbourhood management level – however
I know many of the lead officers from my days when I was a community
development worker working across Lewisham for a community led network (i.e.
not working for the council). I agree to an extent that they can be
influenced, but there’s a lot of paranoia about rival mainstream
political parties – tories, lib dems etc doing just that so the idea that
community activists can get in there probably needs to be tempered. I
like the transition town thing because it is more genuinely local people led
– from my perspective anything that is council led is going to end in
disappointment at some point so the ideal is to bypass them where possible and
make demands from a position of strength and equality. Real democracy can
never (ever) be council mediated, managed democracy. I have many contacts
in both Lewisham and Southwark so happy to link up if there is any stuff needs
doing</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=3 color="#500050" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:#500050'> Matt Matthew Scott CSC
Director 020 7336 9461 Work mobile: 07827 258411 ...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a href="mailto:martyn2345@googlemail.com"
target="_blank">martyn2345@googlemail.com</a> [mailto:<a
href="mailto:martyn2345@googlemail.com" target="_blank">martyn2345@googlemail.com</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>James Holland<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 12 October 2009 13:30<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Matthew Scott<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:campaignforrealdemocracy@lists.aktivix.org" target="_blank">campaignforrealdemocracy@lists.aktivix.org</a>;
<a href="mailto:project2012@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">project2012@googlegroups.com</a>;
Mark Barrett <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Tahoma;color:#500050'>Subject: Re: [Campaignforrealdemocracy]
campaign real democracy - actually starting to campaign!</span></font><font
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12.0pt;color:#500050'> yes, thanks for that the forums are different in
different places - in lewisham they're calle...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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