<div>Yep. The LCS is doing it's own thing and won't be donating to Camp as it's focusing on smaller, local projects. I think therefore that the vegan cafe would be the best idea.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2009/2/12 james holland <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:james@dogmanet.org">james@dogmanet.org</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> the reason i'm keen on these luxuries is that it counteracts the oft repeated criticism that a sustainable life is a miserable one where we'll have to do without things - in fact it'll be better<br>
<br>but of course keep it doable - i think training and inspiration is perhaps more important and less of a practical challenge - i think neil is keen on arranging training?<br><br>i think LCS are doing something anyway, and this will be separate / extra?<br>
<br>CC style food is perhaps another good profit option as it is a key feature of the camp as well? plus badges and t shirts..<br><br>i'm def up for helping at BGG
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br><br><br>James Holland<br><br><a href="http://risingclevel.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://risingclevel.blogspot.com/</a><br><br></div>marina pepper wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">I personally am dead set against showers saunas etc. Too much work. And quite frankly if people can't spend a few days at a festival coping, it's not our job to pander to their vanities.<br>
<br>Yep, there's nothing in James' "ideas" that weren't covered in the original working group chat (no minutes ever produced or email list produced).<br><br>Still not sure of numbers as I have no idea who is good, who is strong, who can multi task and who is disciplined and will stay put rather than wonder off.<br>
<br>I note also that now there is no mention of last chance saloon, there is no suggestion of a bar. Isn't that the profit bit? Discuss
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br><br>M<br>xxx<br><br><br>------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>*From:* Ben Hart <<a href="mailto:benhart33@googlemail.com" target="_blank">benhart33@googlemail.com</a>><br>
</div>*To:* <a href="mailto:cc-festivalsandfundraising@lists.aktivix.org" target="_blank">cc-festivalsandfundraising@lists.aktivix.org</a><br>*Sent:* Wednesday, 11 February, 2009 21:22:48<br>*Subject:* Re: [Cc-fests&FR] [climatecampprocess] [Fwd: workshops at big green gathering
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br><br>Ok then..<br> Looks like we need a crash brain storm about what we want to happen. James has already done some stirling work looking at an application for Glasto (See below). I reckon we should thrash out what we'd like to do at the BGG using this as a starting point.<br>
Personally I think something like James' bigger idea below- using one big marquee and organising it like one of the neighbourhoods at the camp:<br> Vegan Kitchen- making lunch and dinner for donations.<br>Direct Action Training sessions in the afternoon.<br>
Talks/ Discussions based on the different themes of Climate Camp this year after dinner, followed by some films (and maybe music?)<br> Not sure a sauna is needed though!!<br> I think a lot of talks/ training sessions will have already been produced for the G20 event, and I'm sure structures will be being re-obtained in preparation for the convergence. And it's obvious that there's plenty of people who would like to volunteer to provide stuff to the space, which could also be a good meeting point for lots of people if you make it friendly enough.<br>
If we create the space I'm sure it'll work fantastically...<br> What do people think?<br> <br><br></div> 2009/2/11 marina pepper <<a href="mailto:votepepper@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">votepepper@yahoo.co.uk</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:votepepper@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">votepepper@yahoo.co.uk</a>>>
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<div class="Wj3C7c"><br><br> I have the BGG form. Am looking at it blankly cos we haven't had any<br> sort of discussion on what Climate Camp is doing on the road.<br><br> I have ideas, but I'd hate to impose a benign dictatorship order on<br>
a project I know so many want to be involved with.<br><br> To start you off - is it a spin off of our pop up camp in the city?<br> Does it operate like a neighbourhood? Is it a marquee with a bar? A<br> forum? A vegan cafe? Are we doing training sessions? Consensus<br>
debates? Do we need 10 peeps or 30 peeps? Are we offereing stuff for<br> kids? Older people?<br><br> Answers soon as you like. I've spent last coupla days doing family<br> court nonsense. YUCK! I'm off to form mothers for justice.<br>
Underpants please...<br><br> M<br> xxx<br><br>/SMALL - minimum/<br>/a small marquee (lightweight 'party tent' type 6x3m?)<br>covered kitchen (3mx3m)<br>outside kitchen area (3mx3m)/<br><br>/tea urn<br>projector<br>
small pa<br>solar panel<br>bike generator<br>batteries<br>rocket stoves and other cooking equipment<br>food<br>sink / water set up<br>perimeter signs / bunting / lights<br>chairs, cushions<br>flags banners/<br>/daily schedule/<br>
/4-5 welcome meeting/intro to climate cmap<br>5-7 training session or workshop or film<br>7-8 dinner/<br>/Kitchen - 12 person hours a day (4 people x 3 hours)<br>running talks / films / training - 12phd (4 people x 3 hours)<br>
outreach round the festival - 4phd (2 people x 2 hours)/<br>/28 hours X 5 days<br>minimum 7 people 4 hours a day (with at least some of those doing a few hours in the previous few days to set up)/<br>/plus any outside speakers/<br>
/draft budget (very rough)/<br><br>/structures - 0 (i've got these)<br>Audio visual equipment £200<br>transport of staff and equipment £500<br>power equipment £500<br>workshop expenses £200<br>Decoration of field £500<br>
food - £500<br>Donation to climate camp £5000<br>flyers - £200/<br>/total £7,600/<br>// // <br>/BIG - Full scale/<br>/outreach stall (simple gazebo 3mx3m)<br>a small marquee (lightweight 'party tent' type 6x3m?)<br>
covered kitchen (3mx3m)<br>outside kitchen area (3mx3m)<br>compost toilet (combined)<br>sauna (4X4 m)<br>tea urn<br>projector<br>small pa<br>solar panel<br>bike generator<br>batteries<br>rocket stoves and other cooking equipment<br>
food<br>sink / water set up<br>perimeter signs / bunting / lights<br>chairs, cushions<br>flags banners/<br>/daily schedule/<br>/1-2 lunch<br>2-3 welcome meeting/intro to climate cmap<br>3-5 training session<br>5-7 workshop / film<br>
7-8 dinner<br>8- booze/<br>/Kitchen - 24 person hours a day (4 people x 6 hours)<br>stall - 12 phd (2 people x 6 hours)<br>running talks / films / training - 20phd (4 people x 5 hours)<br>outreach round the festival - 12phd (2 people x 6 hours)<br>
bar 8 phd (2 people x 4 hours)/<br><br>/76 hours X 5 days<br>minimum 20 people about 4 hours a day<br>(with at least some of those doing a few hours in the previous few days to set up)/<br>/plus any outside speakers/<br>/draft budget (very rough)/<br>
<br>/structures - £200 (compost toilet)<br>Audio visual equipment £200<br>transport of staff and equipment £1000<br>power equipment £500<br>workshop expenses £500<br>Decoration of field £1000<br>food - £1000<br>booze - £500<br>
flyers - £300<br>Donation to climate camp £5000/<br></div></div>/total £10,000/<br><br><br>------------------------------------------------------------------------
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