<div>brilliant work!</div>
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<div>also i sent the APE application for the space in today <br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:44 PM, marina pepper <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:votepepper@yahoo.co.uk">votepepper@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Done form. Am posting by tomorrow AM. Have left out stuff about vans, cars etc. Gone for 20 crew (including speakers).<br>
<br>JUST NEED OUR ANNUAL TURNOVER.<br><br>M<br>xxx<br><br><br>--- On Mon, 16/2/09, Ben Hart <<a href="mailto:benhart33@googlemail.com">benhart33@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> From: Ben Hart <<a href="mailto:benhart33@googlemail.com">benhart33@googlemail.com</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [Cc-fests&FR] [climatecampprocess] [Fwd: workshops at big green gathering<br>> To: <a href="mailto:cc-festivalsandfundraising@lists.aktivix.org">cc-festivalsandfundraising@lists.aktivix.org</a><br>
> Date: Monday, 16 February, 2009, 1:42 PM<br>> Agree to all of these points. Do we know what the deadline<br>> is? Marina- can<br>> we have an update please?<br>><br>> 2009/2/14 <<a href="mailto:wildwoodsman@riseup.net">wildwoodsman@riseup.net</a>><br>
><br>> > Hi All!<br>> ><br>> > Just back on the email loop.. so to chip in: I'm<br>> definitely up for<br>> > organising nvda training at bgg. I think it would be<br>> good to keep the<br>
> > focus of this on the more experiential/practical side<br>> of things - so<br>> > possibilities might be lock-ons (d-locks & tubes),<br>> tripods, blockades<br>> > showing how to do it & maybe including role-plays<br>
> so people get to have a<br>> > go in a fun way too! If anyone's got more ideas or<br>> things they think would<br>> > appeal to the festival going peeps I'd love to<br>> hear them!<br>> > Also as far as the whole bgg set up... I agree with<br>
> whats been said so far:<br>> > vegan cafe<br>> > space for people to hang<br>> out/discussions/workshops/talks etc<br>> > we could have open-mic/music etc later on<br>> > I personally would be keen to get a bicycle cinema<br>
> going as this could be<br>> > a good way to raise awareness of the wider<br>> issues/campaigns etc. For<br>> > example we could show things like the rossport 2008<br>> film, on the verge,<br>> > and longer films like age of stupid, an inconvenient<br>
> truth etc. this could<br>> > be like a chill out type space where people can hang<br>> out with films etc<br>> > showing on one wall... people can come & go..<br>> wouldn't need to be like a<br>
> > formal cinema with times for showings etc (although we<br>> could do that too).<br>> > Do we know when the deadline is for the bgg form?<br>> > Also have we got a definitive list of the festivals we<br>
> are going to? It<br>> > would be good to thrash this out & maybe try and<br>> get an article or some<br>> > promo stuff (for free obviously!) in things like<br>> festival eye and in the<br>> > guides to festivals that newspapers do etc. to<br>
> generate some interest & it<br>> > would be good publicity for climate camp generally<br>> too!<br>> > Cheers,<br>> > Neil<br>> ><br>> > > Hello Marina.<br>> > ><br>> > > How's this going? Not to be really pushy but<br>
> I think it's very important<br>> > > to<br>> > > get it done asap. I'm not sure how many<br>> people are on this list- is it<br>> > > worth<br>> > > sending it to a bigger list- e.g. networking?<br>
> > > * *<br>> > > *Still not sure of numbers as I have no idea who<br>> is good, who is strong,<br>> > > who<br>> > > can multi task and who is disciplined and will<br>> stay put rather than<br>
> > wonder<br>> > > off.*<br>> > > I think it's best to work out exactly what we<br>> think needs to be done man<br>> > > hour wise and then err on the side of caution.<br>> Although the camp may have<br>
> > > worked with people chipping in, a lot of work did<br>> fall to a few people<br>> > who<br>> > > would take things on. I think it's fairer to<br>> draw up a rota- make sure<br>> > > everyone chips in, rather than expecting people<br>
> just not to bother.<br>> > ><br>> > > Can we see the form? What exactly is needed- can<br>> we give in a rough idea<br>> > > and<br>> > > flesh it out nearer the time?<br>> > > Cheers,<br>
> > ><br>> > > Ben.<br>> > ><br>> > > 2009/2/12 Ben Hart<br>> <<a href="mailto:benhart33@googlemail.com">benhart33@googlemail.com</a>><br>> > ><br>> > >> Yep. The LCS is doing it's own thing and<br>
> won't be donating to Camp as<br>> > >> it's<br>> > >> focusing on smaller, local projects. I think<br>> therefore that the vegan<br>> > >> cafe<br>> > >> would be the best idea.<br>
> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >> 2009/2/12 james holland<br>> <<a href="mailto:james@dogmanet.org">james@dogmanet.org</a>><br>
> > >><br>> > >> the reason i'm keen on these luxuries is<br>> that it counteracts the oft<br>> > >>> repeated criticism that a sustainable<br>> life is a miserable one where<br>
> > >>> we'll<br>> > >>> have to do without things - in fact<br>> it'll be better<br>> > >>><br>> > >>> but of course keep it doable - i think<br>> training and inspiration is<br>
> > >>> perhaps<br>> > >>> more important and less of a practical<br>> challenge - i think neil is keen<br>> > >>> on<br>> > >>> arranging training?<br>> > >>><br>
> > >>> i think LCS are doing something anyway,<br>> and this will be separate /<br>> > >>> extra?<br>> > >>><br>> > >>> CC style food is perhaps another good<br>
> profit option as it is a key<br>> > >>> feature<br>> > >>> of the camp as well? plus badges and t<br>> shirts..<br>> > >>><br>> > >>> i'm def up for helping at BGG<br>
> > >>><br>> > >>><br>> > >>> James Holland<br>> > >>><br>> > >>> <a href="http://risingclevel.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://risingclevel.blogspot.com/</a><br>
> > >>><br>> > >>> marina pepper wrote:<br>> > >>><br>> > >>>> I personally am dead set against<br>> showers saunas etc. Too much work.<br>> > >>>> And<br>
> > >>>> quite frankly if people can't<br>> spend a few days at a festival coping,<br>> > >>>> it's<br>> > >>>> not our job to pander to their<br>> vanities.<br>
> > >>>><br>> > >>>> Yep, there's nothing in<br>> James' "ideas" that weren't covered in the<br>> > >>>> original working group chat (no<br>> minutes ever produced or email list<br>
> > >>>> produced).<br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>> Still not sure of numbers as I have<br>> no idea who is good, who is<br>> > >>>> strong,<br>> > >>>> who can multi task and who is<br>
> disciplined and will stay put rather<br>> > >>>> than<br>> > >>>> wonder off.<br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>> I note also that now there is no<br>> mention of last chance saloon, there<br>
> > >>>> is<br>> > >>>> no suggestion of a bar. Isn't<br>> that the profit bit? Discuss<br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>> M<br>> > >>>> xxx<br>
> > >>>><br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>><br>> ><br>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> > >>>> *From:* Ben Hart<br>
> <<a href="mailto:benhart33@googlemail.com">benhart33@googlemail.com</a>><br>> > >>>> *To:*<br>> <a href="mailto:cc-festivalsandfundraising@lists.aktivix.org">cc-festivalsandfundraising@lists.aktivix.org</a><br>
> > >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 11 February, 2009<br>> 21:22:48<br>> > >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Cc-fests&FR]<br>> [climatecampprocess] [Fwd: workshops at<br>> > >>>> big<br>
> > >>>> green gathering<br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>> Ok then..<br>> > >>>> Looks like we need a crash brain<br>> storm about what we want to happen.<br>
> > >>>> James has already done some stirling<br>> work looking at an application<br>> > >>>> for<br>> > >>>> Glasto (See below). I reckon we<br>> should thrash out what we'd like to do<br>
> > >>>> at<br>> > >>>> the BGG using this as a starting<br>> point.<br>> > >>>> Personally I think something like<br>> James' bigger idea below- using one<br>
> > >>>> big marquee and organising it like<br>> one of the neighbourhoods at the<br>> > >>>> camp:<br>> > >>>> Vegan Kitchen- making lunch and<br>> dinner for donations.<br>
> > >>>> Direct Action Training sessions in<br>> the afternoon.<br>> > >>>> Talks/ Discussions based on the<br>> different themes of Climate Camp this<br>> > >>>> year after dinner, followed by some<br>
> films (and maybe music?)<br>> > >>>> Not sure a sauna is needed though!!<br>> > >>>> I think a lot of talks/ training<br>> sessions will have already been<br>> > >>>> produced for the G20 event, and<br>
> I'm sure structures will be being<br>> > >>>> re-obtained in preparation for the<br>> convergence. And it's obvious that<br>> > >>>> there's plenty of people who<br>
> would like to volunteer to provide stuff<br>> > >>>> to the<br>> > >>>> space, which could also be a good<br>> meeting point for lots of people if<br>> > >>>> you<br>
> > >>>> make it friendly enough.<br>> > >>>> If we create the space I'm sure<br>> it'll work fantastically...<br>> > >>>> What do people think?<br>> > >>>><br>
> > >>>><br>> > >>>> 2009/2/11 marina pepper<br>> <<a href="mailto:votepepper@yahoo.co.uk">votepepper@yahoo.co.uk</a> <mailto:<br>> > >>>> <a href="mailto:votepepper@yahoo.co.uk">votepepper@yahoo.co.uk</a>>><br>
> > >>>><br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>> I have the BGG form. Am looking at<br>> it blankly cos we haven't had<br>> > >>>> any<br>> > >>>> sort of discussion on what Climate<br>
> Camp is doing on the road.<br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>> I have ideas, but I'd hate to<br>> impose a benign dictatorship order on<br>> > >>>> a project I know so many want to<br>
> be involved with.<br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>> To start you off - is it a spin<br>> off of our pop up camp in the city?<br>> > >>>> Does it operate like a<br>
> neighbourhood? Is it a marquee with a bar? A<br>> > >>>> forum? A vegan cafe? Are we doing<br>> training sessions? Consensus<br>> > >>>> debates? Do we need 10 peeps or 30<br>
> peeps? Are we offereing stuff<br>> > >>>> for<br>> > >>>> kids? Older people?<br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>> Answers soon as you like. I've<br>
> spent last coupla days doing family<br>> > >>>> court nonsense. YUCK! I'm off<br>> to form mothers for justice.<br>> > >>>> Underpants please...<br>> > >>>><br>
> > >>>> M<br>> > >>>> xxx<br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>> /SMALL - minimum/<br>> > >>>> /a small marquee (lightweight<br>> 'party tent' type 6x3m?)<br>
> > >>>> covered kitchen (3mx3m)<br>> > >>>> outside kitchen area (3mx3m)/<br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>> /tea urn<br>> > >>>> projector<br>
> > >>>> small pa<br>> > >>>> solar panel<br>> > >>>> bike generator<br>> > >>>> batteries<br>> > >>>> rocket stoves and other cooking<br>
> equipment<br>> > >>>> food<br>> > >>>> sink / water set up<br>> > >>>> perimeter signs / bunting / lights<br>> > >>>> chairs, cushions<br>> > >>>> flags banners/<br>
> > >>>> /daily schedule/<br>> > >>>> /4-5 welcome meeting/intro to climate<br>> cmap<br>> > >>>> 5-7 training session or workshop or<br>> film<br>> > >>>> 7-8 dinner/<br>
> > >>>> /Kitchen - 12 person hours a day (4<br>> people x 3 hours)<br>> > >>>> running talks / films / training -<br>> 12phd (4 people x 3 hours)<br>> > >>>> outreach round the festival - 4phd<br>
> (2 people x 2 hours)/<br>> > >>>> /28 hours X 5 days<br>> > >>>> minimum 7 people 4 hours a day (with<br>> at least some of those doing a<br>> > >>>> few<br>> > >>>> hours in the previous few days to set<br>
> up)/<br>> > >>>> /plus any outside speakers/<br>> > >>>> /draft budget (very rough)/<br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>> /structures - 0 (i've got these)<br>
> > >>>> Audio visual equipment £200<br>> > >>>> transport of staff and equipment<br>> £500<br>> > >>>> power equipment £500<br>> > >>>> workshop expenses £200<br>
> > >>>> Decoration of field £500<br>> > >>>> food - £500<br>> > >>>> Donation to climate camp £5000<br>> > >>>> flyers - £200/<br>> > >>>> /total £7,600/<br>
> > >>>> // //<br>> > >>>> /BIG - Full scale/<br>> > >>>> /outreach stall (simple gazebo<br>> 3mx3m)<br>> > >>>> a small marquee (lightweight<br>
> 'party tent' type 6x3m?)<br>> > >>>> covered kitchen (3mx3m)<br>> > >>>> outside kitchen area (3mx3m)<br>> > >>>> compost toilet (combined)<br>> > >>>> sauna (4X4 m)<br>
> > >>>> tea urn<br>> > >>>> projector<br>> > >>>> small pa<br>> > >>>> solar panel<br>> > >>>> bike generator<br>> > >>>> batteries<br>
> > >>>> rocket stoves and other cooking<br>> equipment<br>> > >>>> food<br>> > >>>> sink / water set up<br>> > >>>> perimeter signs / bunting / lights<br>
> > >>>> chairs, cushions<br>> > >>>> flags banners/<br>> > >>>> /daily schedule/<br>> > >>>> /1-2 lunch<br>> > >>>> 2-3 welcome meeting/intro to climate<br>
> cmap<br>> > >>>> 3-5 training session<br>> > >>>> 5-7 workshop / film<br>> > >>>> 7-8 dinner<br>> > >>>> 8- booze/<br>> > >>>> /Kitchen - 24 person hours a day (4<br>
> people x 6 hours)<br>> > >>>> stall - 12 phd (2 people x 6 hours)<br>> > >>>> running talks / films / training -<br>> 20phd (4 people x 5 hours)<br>> > >>>> outreach round the festival - 12phd<br>
> (2 people x 6 hours)<br>> > >>>> bar 8 phd (2 people x 4 hours)/<br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>> /76 hours X 5 days<br>> > >>>> minimum 20 people about 4 hours a day<br>
> > >>>> (with at least some of those doing a<br>> few hours in the previous few<br>> > >>>> days<br>> > >>>> to set up)/<br>> > >>>> /plus any outside speakers/<br>
> > >>>> /draft budget (very rough)/<br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>> /structures - £200 (compost toilet)<br>> > >>>> Audio visual equipment £200<br>> > >>>> transport of staff and equipment<br>
> £1000<br>> > >>>> power equipment £500<br>> > >>>> workshop expenses £500<br>> > >>>> Decoration of field £1000<br>> > >>>> food - £1000<br>> > >>>> booze - £500<br>
> > >>>> flyers - £300<br>> > >>>> Donation to climate camp £5000/<br>> > >>>> /total £10,000/<br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>><br>
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<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br><br><br><br>James Holland <br>