[Cc-webedit] Front page

Mon Apr 27 15:28:55 BST 2009

Hi all,

No reply for a while, so I will attempt to take this forward.

For reference, this is how the front page looked last night when I
edited it:
http://dump.jonathanleighton.com/caravan_front_page.png

I propose the following:

* Title stays as "Climate Camp 2009 / Stopping carbon markets / Because
nature doesn't do bailouts"
* We shouldn't repeat links which are in the LHS menu in the main body
of the page. The only one which is not in the LHS menu is the Copenhagen
one. So I propose we put a "Copenhagen" item in the menu. (The menu is
getting too long, see below for proposals on that.)
* We remove the link to the legal report. The media frenzy for that has
come and gone. It doesn't need to be on the front page, and is linked
from the legal page.
* We use the coal caravan image and a large link saying "The Coal
Caravan", beneath the image, to link to the caravan page.
* On the caravan page we have the "call-out" (which I previously put on
the front page). We don't have the "updates" (that's being covered by
their blog). Below the call-out we provide links to the flier, route and
newspaper (as is on there at the moment), but we don't use the massive
coal newspaper image either on the front page or the coal caravan page.
* We can have the "First the city traders..." text below the coal
caravan image and link on the front page. I don't think it's ideal (bit
specific to G20) but don't have the energy to suggest something better
for the moment.

With regards to the menu:

* "Reclaiming property" should be a sub-item of "Climate Camp 2008"
* "Past Minutes" and "How we work" should be a sub-item of "National
Gatherings"
* "Links" should be a sub-item of "About Us" (can't think of a better
place, but I definitely don't think it needs to be a top-level item)
* Potentially more changes could be made but again I don't have the
energy right now. I think the above should help though.

Please could I have comments on this fairly soon, say by 6PM, so we can
move forward with this.

Cheers,
Jon

On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 13:56 +0100, Jonathan Leighton wrote:
> Dear Neil,
> 
> I am told that there have been efforts to contact website@ and/or you
> (though they are the same thing really), and that they have not been
> responded to. Which is why I was contacted.
> 
> Penny may have approved the front page at the gathering, but clearly
> they feel differently now that the coal caravan is actually happening.
> 
> I hear your points about having consistency on the front page, and
> perhaps I didn't strike the right balance. I think there are serious
> process issues with how the website is currently managed, which I will
> not go into here. I am going to attempt to write something up before the
> Hebden gathering and make some proposals.
> 
> The climate camp is organised by consensus. Given that I and other
> people have expressed a view that the front page as it is right now is
> NOT what is should be, I find it completely unacceptable for you to say:
> 
> "Having considered what you have said I see no reason to change again."
> 
> It is not for you to give ultimate approval to all changes. If other
> people express opposing views you should consider them so we can find a
> resolution everybody is happy with.
> 
> Please let me know your ideas for how we strike the right balance on the
> front page. In my view, and clearly the view of several other people,
> the coal caravan needs more prominence while it is happening (i.e. now).
> 
> Jon
> 
> On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 12:31 +0100, bye neil wrote:
> > Hi Jon
> >             Penny approved the front page I put up at the gathering. If she is not happy about the prominence of the coal caravan then a larger link and a direct link from the image should suffice.  She should have contacted website at .... if she wanted changes. The G20 being promoted to the front page was a one off. We have never done that before and in my opinion it was a bad idea. In the past we have always considered that a measure of consistency should exist on the front page.
> >              I am sorry I missed your posting on cc-webedit. I did check it yesterday and found no post since mine on April 8th. I assumed no-one was using it any more. The only address that gets checked regularly is website at ...
> >             I did contact you but felt I had to revert in the meantime as I said.  Having considered  what you have said I see no reason to change again.
> > 
> > Neil
> >             
> > 
> > 
> > ----------------------------------------
> > > Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:49:38 +0100
> > > Subject: Re: Front page
> > > From: j at jonathanleighton.com
> > > To: neil_bye at hotmail.com; cc-webedit at lists.aktivix.org
> > >
> > > Hi Neil,
> > >
> > > I've CC'd the webedit mailing list because I don't think this should
> > > be a private discussion.
> > >
> > > I got a call from Penny who is the media contact for the coal caravan.
> > > She was very frustrated that despite the coal caravan now being a
> > > working group of the climate camp, it was not receiving the prominence
> > > on the website that something like the G20 received. She felt that
> > > this did not reflect the mood of the Brighton gathering, and that
> > > people there wanted to support the coal caravan. Which includes
> > > promoting it on our website, especially as it is something which is
> > > happening *now*. (When the G20 was happening, that was what was
> > > promoted on the front page.)
> > >
> > > Penny sent out press releases last night, which will be being read
> > > this morning, so she wanted the issue to be resolved last night so
> > > that people & press who visit the website will be able to see
> > > information about the coal caravan. With the previous version of the
> > > front page there is only a tiny link saying "Coal Caravan Progress"
> > > (and a massive image linking to the coal newspaper which seems quite
> > > incongruous on the front page).
> > >
> > > I did my best with the limited time available, and made a judgement
> > > that it was reasonable to promote the coal caravan prominently on the
> > > front page while it is happening, as this is what we have done for
> > > other climate camp projects in the past. I accepted that I may have
> > > missed the mark in this judgement and so sent the message that I did
> > > to the cc-webedit list, so people could make their remarks if
> > > necessary. In contrast, I rarely see other people reporting changes to
> > > the cc-webedit list for discussion.
> > >
> > > I am very unhappy with the fact that you have simply reverted my
> > > changes, without any prior attempt to contact me. I think you should
> > > have tried to make contact, and failing that you should have tried to
> > > balance the changes I made with your own vision of the front page,
> > > instead of simply over-ruling me and reverting my changes.
> > >
> > > I am going to inform Penny about what has happened, as she will no
> > > doubt be very frustrated when she looks at the page again and sees it
> > > identical to how it was yesterday. I'm not available for the next
> > > hour, but please consider my comments and if you (or anyone else)
> > > would like to chat on the phone I'm on 0792 9898 121.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Jon
> > >
> > > 2009/4/27 bye neil :
> > >> Hi Jon
> > >> Who did you confer with regarding the changing of the front page.
> > >> It is appalling, all the links have gone. It is overkill on the caravan. It
> > >> does not look like a climate camp front page and to pick nits you used a
> > >> cropped coal banner. Please reply promptly. In the mean time I am reverting
> > >> it.
> > >>
> > >> Neil
> > >>
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