[Cc-webedit] [Fwd: Re: Interim website process proposal]

Jonathan Leighton j at jonathanleighton.com
Wed Aug 19 22:22:45 BST 2009 

I'm going to change to the 26th as per discussion below - if anyone
object please say so.

Cheers

-------- Forwarded Message --------
> From: Jonathan Stevenson <jjjstevenson at fastmail.fm>
> To: jacob at brightonclimatechange.org
> Cc: Jonathan Leighton <j at jonathanleighton.com>
> Subject: Re: [Cc-webedit] Interim website process proposal
> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:59:18 +0100
> 
> ah okay.
> 
> yep we did change the start date on the old site from 27th to 26th a few 
> weeks ago, after discussion at the gathering.
> 
> it had previously been suggested on the website list and jon said he thought 
> it made sense to keep it as 27th as that's the first day.
> 
> but I think since then the prominence of the swoop has increased, and I'd 
> agree that we should go with 26th.
> 
> 27th is what was on the leaflets. if people turn up on the 27th there will 
> at least still be stuff to help out with!
> 
> J
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jacob Skinner" <jacob at brightonclimatechange.org>
> To: "Jonathan Stevenson" <jjjstevenson at fastmail.fm>
> Cc: "Jonathan Leighton" <j at jonathanleighton.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Cc-webedit] Interim website process proposal
> 
> 
> > J,
> >
> > I think you are correct re both those dates, but the front page says 27th 
> > and the swoop is on 26th. This is a bit of a mess in my opinion, as we 
> > wanted EVERYONE to come on the first day, as they ARE the Camp, bla 
> > bla.... Why the date of the 27th is being used is beyond me, but now I 
> > think about it, I do remember a discussion back along, but can't remember 
> > why we have two dates for the start of the camp/swoop, which should be the 
> > same thing. That doesn't bode well for the many others who will definitely 
> > miss something.... the start of the camp!!!.
> >
> > Upshot - It's a problem with communication as usual.
> >
> > J
> >
> > Jonathan Stevenson wrote:
> >> Hi both - is this a confusion between the two swoops? (Terrible decision 
> >> to use the same name for two things!)
> >>
> >> Wednesday 26th August, Summer Swoop on the London Camp
> >>
> >> Saturday 17 and Sunday 18th October, Great Climate Swoop on Drax or 
> >> Ratcliffe
> >>
> >> Or am I missing something?
> >>
> >> J
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Skinner" 
> >> <jacob at brightonclimatechange.org>
> >> To: "Jonathan Leighton" <j at jonathanleighton.com>; 
> >> <jjjstevenson at fastmail.fm>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 9:25 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Cc-webedit] Interim website process proposal
> >>
> >>
> >>> Jon,
> >>>
> >>> Yeah - there's been a whole lota confusion on this on. Am copying 
> >>> Jonathan in, who might be able to clarify...
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Jacob
> >>>
> >>> Jonathan Leighton wrote:
> >>>> Bit confused - it says 17th-18th here?
> >>>> http://www.thegreatclimateswoop.org/
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Jon
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 23:21 +0100, Jacob Skinner wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hey Jon,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Top top work on the site man... have been checking its progress, but 
> >>>>> have not had anythig to add, as you peeps are doing a super job.
> >>>>> Have noticed that 
> >>>>> http://dev.climatecamp.org.uk/actions/climate-swoop-2009 has 17th 18th 
> >>>>> dates... the main site (and myself) are swooping on 16th!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Nice one,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> J
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jonathan Leighton wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Firstly I'd say that I think Alistair's proposal is really good and 
> >>>>>> has
> >>>>>> my full support.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On the subject of the email account, I'd be happy to check it for the
> >>>>>> next two weeks and agree this might be helpful as there will 
> >>>>>> inevitably
> >>>>>> be bug reports and the like coming in.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>> Jon
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 15:36 +0100, Jonathan Stevenson wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I think rotating the website@ management makes a lot of sense as 
> >>>>>>> it's a lot of work and working groups are meant to rotate roles. 
> >>>>>>> Plus while there's a slight lack of continuity it's better for 
> >>>>>>> forming a cohesive group where everyone is up to speed on what's 
> >>>>>>> going on. In the Process group we sometimes have the same person for 
> >>>>>>> more than one period in a row but it's good to aim for rotating it 
> >>>>>>> that often if we can. For this group it also makes good use of the 
> >>>>>>> extra capacity we've built up in the last year.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I hesitate to ask in case he's exhausted but Jon would you be 
> >>>>>>> prepared to take on the first two weeks? It seems to make sense as 
> >>>>>>> you've been coordinating the development of the new site so 
> >>>>>>> presumably you;re most familiar with how it works and can get stuff 
> >>>>>>> done quickly.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In terms of having someone from Process overseeing it, I'm not sure 
> >>>>>>> that that's necessary or appropriate right now. I or others from 
> >>>>>>> Process can give advice on how best to manage an email account when 
> >>>>>>> there are lots of different types of request coming in and not 
> >>>>>>> everyone in the group has the log-in, but it's really for us to 
> >>>>>>> mediate if there's a problem rather than supervise to make sure the 
> >>>>>>> process is 'correct'.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So I'd suggest trying it using the process Alistair's suggesting and 
> >>>>>>> seeing how it goes.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Amazing that we're a few hours from launching a new site! Well done 
> >>>>>>> everyone who's been working on it (and who's been working to keep 
> >>>>>>> the old site up to date as well!).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> J
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "alistair alexander" 
> >>>>>>> <alistair at ali303.net>
> >>>>>>> To: "cc-webedit at lists.aktivix.org" <Cc-webedit at lists.aktivix.org>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:48 PM
> >>>>>>> Subject: [Cc-webedit] Interim website process proposal
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The website is coming together and we’re aiming to launch Tuesday
> >>>>>>> evening i.e. today.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> When we do launch we'll inevitably get bombarded for logins, new
> >>>>>>> pages, editing pages and all manner of other requests.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Of course, now that we have a shiny new website, what we really need
> >>>>>>> is a new website process that covers all aspects of producing the
> >>>>>>> website and ensures the website group is as open and inclusive as
> >>>>>>> possible. But that's going to take time and no doubt a lot of
> >>>>>>> consultation.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So this is a proposal for an interim process to take us from launch 
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> the Camp itself. Please send any comments on this by 9pm this 
> >>>>>>> evening,
> >>>>>>> as we really want some kind of framework in place by Tuesday evening
> >>>>>>> for the launch.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Editing/adding content
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >From launch onwards, we need to ensure that everyone’s aware of all
> >>>>>>> changes occurring on the website, so we don’t repeat other's work,
> >>>>>>> undo work already done etc - basic version control issues when you
> >>>>>>> have lots of people working on the same thing. And I think we need 
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> ensure this is a genuinely collaborative process.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We should have two types of website content changes: Minor and major
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Minor changes are edits to an existing content page, for example for
> >>>>>>> style, to update text or add an image.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Major changes include changes to homepage or section page promos,
> >>>>>>> adding new pages, moving pages around the site. For these changes
> >>>>>>> please notify the list before you make the change to ensure the 
> >>>>>>> group
> >>>>>>> has a chance to comment and raise any issues.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you have any doubt as to whether a change is major or minor, 
> >>>>>>> raise
> >>>>>>> it as a major change on the email list.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Website email account
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This will be the main way people will contact us with change 
> >>>>>>> requests.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The website@ email account should be managed on a 2-week rotation in
> >>>>>>> order to ensure emails are dealt with collectively and 
> >>>>>>> transparently.
> >>>>>>> The person who checks the email from one period to the next can be
> >>>>>>> arranged on the cc-webedit list. People who are not the current
> >>>>>>> "checkers" can log in and deal with correspondence they have already
> >>>>>>> started, but should not deal with new correspondence.
> >>>>>>> For the next 2 weeks – up until camp – I suggest that we enlist
> >>>>>>> someone from the Process Group to oversee the account to get our
> >>>>>>> interim process up and running.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Any requests for editing existing content or adding new content 
> >>>>>>> should
> >>>>>>> follow the same process as above i.e. circulated on the list for 3
> >>>>>>> hours between 10am and 10pm before being implemented.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Logins
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We should keep new logins for the period after launch to an absolute
> >>>>>>> minimum. This is because we simply won’t have the capacity to 
> >>>>>>> support
> >>>>>>> new users.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Once the site has bedded down we should start a process of giving
> >>>>>>> accounts to a small group of people at a time to edit their areas.
> >>>>>>> This should be a gradual process so that we can work closely with 
> >>>>>>> them
> >>>>>>> to get the best out of the website.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In the meantime, apart from active members of the website group and
> >>>>>>> two people from the media group, we shouldn't be creating any logins
> >>>>>>> for new users.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hope this helps - happy to dicuss or clarify any points,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> alistair
> >>>>>>>
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