[Cc-webedit] [mediateam] The LIVE climatecamp event website

Wed Oct 14 13:56:03 BST 2009

hi.

Just a quickie as it's a discussion for after the swoop but there are open
source alternatives to twitter and maps in del.ici.ca and
openstreetmap.org

the issue mainly centres around where stuff goes to first though. I can't
see a problem with an indy site generating twitter feeds, facebook
messages etc if that's where the people are that we want to reach. It's
just that this should be posted on our terms in a non corporate way ie it
is generated by our posts rather than our posts coming from them :-)

anyway, that's a later discussion

solidarity

jimdog

> I've had a look at the current map, and it looks to me like it could be
> amazing.
>
> i share all the concerns raised, but, if we didn't use for saturday, it
> would be a huge opportunity missed to see how it works on a major action.
> so
> it seems to me that we should view this as a beta version - a work in
> progress - and we can work out how it fits in with indymedia and
> cc.orgafter saturday and before copenhagen.
>
> I've two questions - i'm coming late to this so maybe these issues are all
> in hand:
>
> 1) how are we going get people to upload stuff on this site? seems to me
> that's going to be the main challenge - so its got be really easy for
> people
> jumping over fences, chasing through undergrowth, being truncheoned etc.
> are
> we relying on the documentation team to do most of it? will there be a
> clear
> help guide - if so, we need to have it circulated by tomorrow at the
> latest.
>
> 2) can we embed this on cc.org? if we going to go with this, we really
> need
> to have it surfaced on the climate camp homepage and in the swoop section.
>
> on corporate technonlogy - clearly we need to use open
> source/non-corporate
> alternatives wherever possible.  i think we need a discussion on crabgrass
> on this. for one thing i'm not familiar with the non-corporate
> alternatives
> to some really core social network technologies, such as maps and twitter.
> that's my ignorance, but i'm probably not the only one.....
>
> alistair
>
>
>
>
> 2009/10/14 <theinnercityhippy at riseup.net>
>
>> hi all.
>>
>> Wasn't at the meeting unfortunately but here are a few points i'd like
>> to
>> make.
>>
>> Firstly in regards to the pittsburgh code briefly. Their lack of reply
>> may
>> be down to the fact that 2 activists were arrested by the fbi at the g20
>> on major conspiricy charges for using twitter to coordinate the protests
>> so everyone over there is a bit jumpy. After the event, we'll contact
>> them
>> as northern imc and put in a request for it as they are more likely to
>> respond to this.
>>
>> Secondly, all of these super cool media things are what the hyperactive
>> project was started to achieve. The best case scenario here in mx mind
>> would be for those wanting to work on this to join that development team
>> where there is already a strong aggregation base for development meaning
>> no duplication of content and help would be greatly appreciated. The
>> benefits for the cctv team is that you can then draw on a wealth of
>> talent
>> from the global indy geek community and the movement as a whole will
>> benefit from what we produce.
>>
>> Mx concerns about the corporate solutions out there are well known but i
>> concede that there is nothing that can be done in time for the swoop. I
>> therefore suggest that people use whatever for that, we will be
>> providing
>> an accurate timeline and a mobile publishing site for the event as an
>> alternative, and that we sit down afterwards and find open source
>> versions
>> of what went well (or write our own) and incorporate them into the
>> hyperactive project for future events. Then the live site can simply be
>> that with different branding perhaps?
>>
>> We're going to make a full presentation to a national gathering soon on
>> the evils of closed source and corporate solutions with a view to
>> getting
>> a moratorium on their primary use over our own solutions and this sounds
>> like it fits in perfectly with this discussion.
>>
>> In solidarity
>>
>> jimdog
>>
>> ps there are a wealth of indy and non indy alt media resources and
>> coders
>> out there on crabgrass and others which i can direct people to if they
>> wish :-)
>>
>> > Hi everyone
>> >
>> > Have now had the chance to have a look in detail at the proposal for
>> the
>> > new
>> > site (I was clear at Sunday's CCTV meeting that that would be
>> necessary
>> > for
>> > giving consent to it being the tv site) - and I very much support its
>> > principle of setting up an aggregated live mixed media site.  This
>> should
>> > be
>> > really exciting and productive during the Swoop.
>> >
>> > I agree also, though, with the reservations above, viz:
>> > 1. It is not a TV site, but a very valuable addition to the resources
>> as
>> a
>> > live mixed media site - it therefore should have the domain
>> > live.climatecamp.org.uk. Right now we have set up as a
>> > stop-gaplive.climatecamp.tv
>> > 2. I share the reservations about the corporate solutions provided
>> within
>> > it
>> > - these are closed source, whereas both climatecamp.org.uk and the
>> > climatecamp.tv and indymedia are open source (the duplication of
>> indymedia
>> > with something which is closed source and has IP logging is
>> particularly
>> > problematic - agree with Jon also that we need to sort this out before
>> the
>> > weekend).
>> >
>> > But we like the experiment very much, and would welcome more comments
>> from
>> > webteam on any issues that arise from using it this weekend.
>> >
>> > One open source solution for after the Swoop would be to use the imc
>> > pittsburgh code base (they had a fantastic aggregated site for the
>> recent
>> > G20).
>> >
>> > Proposal:
>> > We put this up when it is ready as a really happening lived mixed
>> media
>> > site
>> > with the address live.climatecamp.org.uk
>> > After the weekend we look at using imc philadelphia's code base for
>> the
>> > construction of a similar live media aggregated site which is open
>> source.
>> >
>> > What do especially webteam, who have to set the url, think? I share
>> their
>> > concerns about indymedia, and confess I can't get my head round it
>> right
>> > now.....
>> >
>> > Richard
>> >
>> > 2009/10/13 Jon Leighton <j at jonathanleighton.com>
>> >
>> >> Hiya,
>> >>
>> >> That demo seems broken now - is it up elsewhere?
>> >>
>> >> In general I think this is very cool technologically. But no-one
>> seems
>> >> to be talking about how this relates to Indymedia and I think there
>> is a
>> >> definite conflict there. Whatever we do with the website on the day,
>> >> we're going to need to be clear on one place where people should
>> upload
>> >> their stuff.
>> >>
>> >> I don't have any great pearls of wisdom, particularly as I am
>> struggling
>> >> to actually stay awake, but just thought it was important to start
>> the
>> >> conversation. It's super important we sort this out ASAP.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Jon
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 01:06 +0100, hamish wrote:
>> >> > Looked at the website http://live.climatecamp.tv
>> >> >
>> >> > Interesting widget mash up. I like it, good to experiment with
>> these.
>> >> >
>> >> > Discussion points
>> >> >
>> >> > * This site is the capture the flag site it has been around for a
>> >> while?
>> >> >
>> >> > * Because it is made up of lots of different widgets all the parts
>> of
>> >> it
>> >> > have a different look and feel and different functionality, logins
>> >> etc,
>> >> > making it unintuitive to navigate in places.
>> >> >
>> >> > * the anti-corporate geeks will have HUGE problems with the use of
>> all
>> >> > corporate solutions, IP tracking, and lack of ownership of data
>> that
>> >> > comes from using for profit software/hosting.
>> >> >
>> >> > * it isn t finished yet.
>> >> >
>> >> > * It clearly isn t a TV site, and works best as open publishing so
>> >> isn t
>> >> > a replacement for the existing website. See
>> http://indypgh.org/g20/#
>> >> as
>> >> > the same project at work.
>> >> >
>> >> > * Were will the channels be and what hosting will be used?
>> >> >
>> >> > * I can t see how comments will be built in. Possible using
>> something
>> >> > like http://js-kit.com which I tried 3 months ago, is it working
>> now?
>> >> >
>> >> > Have created a domain to use http://live.climatecamp.tv  As this is
>> a
>> >> > mixed media live site it should really be at
>> live.climatecamp.org.uk-
>> >> > it would be more appropriate as a climatecamp.org url -it would be
>> >> best
>> >> > to ask the cc webteam for that domain.
>> >> >
>> >> > Hamish
>> >> > plain text document attachment (message-footer.txt)
>> >> > -----------------------------
>> >> > To get to the Media Team Crabgrass, email press at climatecamp.org.uk
>> to
>> >> request access
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
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