[Cc-webedit] [Fwd: gathering]

Sun Sep 27 20:32:20 BST 2009

I think most of this has already been resolved.

But on the process points - I agree with Jonathan that:

a) updating existing pages, such as a gatherings page, is a minor  
change and shouldn't need to go on the list

b) the gathering pages should be maintained by the process group  
anyway and what goes on a gathering agenda page is really down to  
them. If the process group has agreed an agenda, it really shouldn't  
need consensus from the website group to be posted on the site.

Alistair

On 26 Sep 2009, at 18:13, Jonathan Stevenson wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Thanks for sorting out getting the gathering info up. Just wanted to  
> respond on a couple of points:
>
> 1) Generic accounts: I take Jon's point about the advantages of  
> individual user accounts and I think from experience it isn't that  
> much easier having a generic account as you still have to pass on  
> the password to anyone new and show/tell them how to log in to the  
> site.
>
> 2) Urgency/Process: in this case the urgency from my perspective as  
> Process group was that the gathering page only said 'details will  
> appear here', without venue or timings information, despite being  
> linked through to from the front page of the site. I hope it didn't  
> seem like I was saying the other two requests (adding a generic  
> London user and making me an editor of that page) were just as  
> urgent. But also, I'm already a user to edit the London page, and  
> I've been making sure the Gathering page is up to date on the old  
> site for the last several months, so hopefully I'm not a 'new user'  
> in that sense. Finally, though, can I clarify what people feel needs  
> to go to the list for consensus and what doesn't? From my  
> perspective content changes to individual pages that are managed by  
> a particular working group shouldn't need to go via this list for  
> consensus? Admin rights is different - but I may have misunderstood  
> jimdog's email.
>
> 3) Agenda for the gathering: does someone want to put together a  
> list of the key decisions we've got to make? Then those of us who  
> might not be there or might be in a parallel meeting can feed in in  
> advance.
>
> cheers,
> J
>
>
>
>
> theinnercityhippy at riseup.net wrote:
>>
>> hi
>>
>> without wishing to put too much of a downer on things, here's my  
>> tuppence
>> worth.
>>
>> Firstly the urgent bit of the request has been done, though with the
>> gathering over a week away i can't imagine how it was so urgent  
>> that it
>> couldn't be proposed for consensus first, particularly with questions
>> already hanging over adherence to the agreed process.
>>
>> Adding new users doesn't seem as urgent that it should predispose a  
>> new
>> admin account being set up in this way. From a security and
>> decentralisation point of view, this should be agreed as necessary  
>> by the
>> whole group, and carry with it to anyone who has such privileges a
>> guarantee that the person will adhere strictly to a consensually  
>> agreed
>> process, with a clear sanction of removal of these if it is not done.
>>
>> There are already some security concerns i am addressing with the  
>> site at
>> the moment so i propose that until this is done, and a process for
>> deciding who should have admin rights and how is decided at the next
>> national gathering, that things stay as they are for now.
>>
>> In solidarity
>>
>> jimdog
>>
>>
>>> Due to the urgency of the request I'm putting this up now. I can't  
>>> create
>>> the users Jonathan asks for. Jon, I  want administrator rights so  
>>> I can
>>> fulfil this request.
>>>
>>> In peace Neil
>>>
>>> ---------------------------- Original Message  
>>> ----------------------------
>>> Subject: gathering
>>> From:    "Jonathan Stevenson" <jjjstevenson at fastmail.fm>
>>> Date:    Wed, September 23, 2009 1:29 pm
>>> To:      website at climatecamp.org.uk
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Hi website@,
>>>
>>> 1) Can you add the below info re: Leeds gathering to the gathering  
>>> page of
>>> the website urgently:
>>>
>>> http://www.climatecamp.org.uk/get-involved/national-gatherings
>>>
>>> 2) Can you make me able to edit the gathering page (username
>>> jonathanstevenson)?
>>>
>>> 3) Can you set up a separate log-in with the username 'london' to  
>>> edit the
>>> london page? I think Alistair found a couple of people to take on  
>>> the
>>> London page last night, but it would be good if it could be a  
>>> generic
>>> log-in that lots of people can use to edit that page.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> J
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> TIMINGS
>>>
>>> The gathering is taking place on 3-4 October 2009 in Leeds. It  
>>> runs from
>>> 10-6 on Saturday and 10-5 on Sunday.
>>>
>>> VENUE
>>>
>>> The venue is The Common Place - Leeds' autonomous, radical social  
>>> centre -
>>> 23-25 Wharf Street, Leeds, LS2 7EQ. http:// 
>>> www.thecommonplace.org.uk. It's
>>> wheelchair accessible.
>>>
>>> ACCOMMODATION
>>>
>>> There is crashpad accommodation available on Friday and Saturday  
>>> nights.
>>> This means floorspace - you'll need to bring a sleeping bag and  
>>> rollmat.
>>> Please email gathering at climatecamp.org.uk to let us know which  
>>> nights
>>> you're coming, and we'll confirm where it is. Some beds can be  
>>> provided if
>>> needed. Again contact gathering at climatecamp.org.uk
>>>
>>> AGENDA ITEMS
>>>
>>> The deadline for submitting agenda items to gathering at climatecamp.org.uk
>>> is Friday 25 September.
>>>
>>> FOOD
>>>
>>> Yumminess of the vegan variety will be provided by the Leeds Café
>>> Collective.
>>>
>>> SOCIAL
>>>
>>> There'll be a social on Saturday night at the Common Place. For  
>>> licensing
>>> reasons you either need to be a member or a guest to attend.  
>>> Members need
>>> to sign up at least 2 days in advance, and not everyone will be  
>>> able to be
>>> a guest. So we're encouraging everyone to become a member now - it  
>>> only
>>> costs &pound;2, and it's worth doing even if you're not sure  
>>> you're coming
>>> as the Common Place is great! To join, it's best to do it via  
>>> Paypal, or
>>> you can send a cheque. See
>>> http://www.thecommonplace.org.uk/membership.html for how.
>>>
>>> DONATIONS
>>>
>>> The suggested donation is &pound;15 to cover the costs of the  
>>> weekend,
>>> including food. You can put in more or less, depending on what you  
>>> can
>>> afford.
>>>
>>> TRAVEL POOL
>>>
>>> A travel pool will operate as usual. The travel pool is a way for  
>>> those
>>> who've come to the gathering from nearby to contribute to the  
>>> travel costs
>>> of those who've travelled further. Those who wish to make a claim  
>>> write
>>> down how much they've spent at the welcome desk and at the end of  
>>> the
>>> weekend the money in the travel pool is split proportionally among  
>>> those
>>> who've claimed.
>>>
>>> KIDS SPACE
>>>
>>> At the moment we're not able to offer a kids space but if we get
>>> volunteers in the next week this might change. If you can help  
>>> please get
>>> in touch via gathering at climatecamp.org.uk
>>>
>>> QUESTIONS?
>>>
>>> If you've got any questions, please contact us via
>>> gathering at climatecamp.org.uk
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