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From: alistair alexander <<a href="mailto:alistair@ali303.net" target="_blank">alistair@ali303.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Cc-webedit] The Great Climate Swoop<br>
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Alistair wrote:<br>
<br>
?I?m really unhappy about this ongoing media video stuff. It?s not<br>
clear to me if this is a media group video or visionontv ? now it<br>
seems the video is on climate rush.<br><br></div>- It's Climate Camp TV - some people happen to work with visionOntv, others do not - cc-tv is a sub-group of the media group.<br>
We have now responded to the request that the embed should be more selective, by producing a selective feed.<div class="im"><br><br>
I think the process of the homepage should be that working groups<br>
request (not demand) slots on the homepage from the web group. It?s<br>
our job to balance competing priorities (Iggy?s email illustrates the<br>
point perfectly I think).<br>
<br></div>- And we agree that radio is important - that's why we offered to make a website button for them - and we feel it's important to request saying who supports it.<div class="im"><br><br>
I think if the media group has a video made by themselves to promote<br>
the camp, then that has a good case for being on the front page. ?But<br>
it should be on a case-by-case (or video-by-video) basis ? not an<br>
ongoing feed of random videos.<br>
<br></div>- There is an issue of trust here - once cc-tv knows what videos are consensed to appear, you can trust us to do it - otherwise it's nightmarishly bureaucratic, and we don't succeed in creating our own media.<div class="im">
<br>
<br>
External videos ? however supportive ?are to me a different matter.<br>
Not saying they shouldn?t be there, but there should certainly be no<br>
presumption that they automatically appear on our homepage. If vision<br>
on are doing daily videos on the camp ? we need to dicuss that with<br>
them.<br>
<br></div>- visionOntv is doing what it did last year, but bigger, and as part of a much larger group - Climate Camp TV - a sub-group of the media group<br>This is Climate Camp's video - what's the problem with that?<div class="im">
<br>
<br>
I?m really not interested in a group?s ?strong consensus? ? we should<br>
expect every request to be backed with consensus within that group.<br><br></div>- Agreed.<div class="im"><br><br>
If people in the media group want to be involved in that process of<br>
helping with the homepage, that?s absolutely fine ? they can join the<br>
website group.<br>
<br>
And another meedja thing?..<br>
<br>
I?m not too keen on the media group taking over the blog. Obviously we<br>
need them involved, and they?ll probably produce more posts than<br>
anyone else. But they shouldn?t be ?mediating? other groups? posts,<br>
such as legal ? the whole point of the blog is to get away from<br>
traditional media channels. I secretly long for off-message blog<br>
posts, and I?m sure I?m not the only one?.<br>
<br>
Rant over,<br><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">2009/8/13 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cc-webedit-request@lists.aktivix.org" target="_blank">cc-webedit-request@lists.aktivix.org</a>></span><div><div></div><div class="h5">
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sorry about the last email, i meant to send it as a reply to this one!!!<br>
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Hi,<br>
Is it possible that the radio can get as prominent a link on the website as<br>
the TV? We did a huge amount of work last year. it worked, and we got loads<br>
of positive feedback.....and after all, tv is bandwidth intensive compared<br>
to audio and is really just radio with pictures!!!!<br>
We have a flash player that you can use, but there is also allready a<br>
hyperactive media player available too...<br>
<br>
thanks<br>
Iggy<br>
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2009/8/13 richard hering <<a href="mailto:richard@visionon.tv" target="_blank">richard@visionon.tv</a>><br>
<br>
> Jonathan wrote:<br>
><br>
> Also: is this embed URL just for climate camp specific films? The film<br>
> that comes up at the moment is about climate rush. When will the first<br>
> climate camp stuff be going up?<br>
><br>
> Cheers<br>
><br>
> This embed will be for the duration of the camps by default exclusively<br>
> climate camp films. Down the list are all the climate camp films from last<br>
> year. Before the climate camp films for 2009 roll in it makes sense to have<br>
> some other relevant content to renovate the embed. Isn't it hard anyway to<br>
> decide if something is "climate camp" or not. What about pixie actions etc?<br>
> However, if you prefer, we can alter the embed so that it only shows a<br>
> selection of films.<br>
><br>
> Richard<br>
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:04:01 +0100<br>
From: alistair alexander <<a href="mailto:alistair@ali303.net" target="_blank">alistair@ali303.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Cc-webedit] The Great Climate Swoop<br>
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This all seems good to me:<br>
<br>
Main promo ? Swoop (swoop group) ?(what?s the format in this one ?<br>
text plus two links?)<br>
<br>
Promo 1 ? 10 reasons (workshops/handbook ? I can do this one)<br>
<br>
Promo 2 ? Climate swoop vote (it?s a spoof? That changes everything ?<br>
am I being? thick here?)<br>
<br>
Promo 3 ? Copenhagen (international group)<br>
<br>
Promo 4 ? Video (Meedja)<br>
<br>
We need graphics or images in those promos also - I was going to look<br>
at this as part of the content stuff.<br>
<br>
We?ll also need 4 blog posts, 3 links in media circus, 3 press releases?<br>
<br>
Will Hyperactive be ready to feed the frontpage?<br>
<br>
And the latest tweet from twitter/facebook etc<br>
<br>
We did discuss last week a box for 4-5 static links somewhere below<br>
the 4 promos. It would be very handy I think.<br>
<br>
But...<br>
<br>
?I?m really unhappy about this ongoing media video stuff. It?s not<br>
clear to me if this is a media group video or visionontv ? now it<br>
seems the video is on climate rush.<br>
<br>
I think the process of the homepage should be that working groups<br>
request (not demand) slots on the homepage from the web group. It?s<br>
our job to balance competing priorities (Iggy?s email illustrates the<br>
point perfectly I think).<br>
<br>
I think if the media group has a video made by themselves to promote<br>
the camp, then that has a good case for being on the front page. ?But<br>
it should be on a case-by-case (or video-by-video) basis ? not an<br>
ongoing feed of random videos.<br>
<br>
External videos ? however supportive ?are to me a different matter.<br>
Not saying they shouldn?t be there, but there should certainly be no<br>
presumption that they automatically appear on our homepage. If vision<br>
on are doing daily videos on the camp ? we need to dicuss that with<br>
them.<br>
<br>
I?m really not interested in a group?s ?strong consensus? ? we should<br>
expect every request to be backed with consensus within that group.<br>
<br>
If people in the media group want to be involved in that process of<br>
helping with the homepage, that?s absolutely fine ? they can join the<br>
website group.<br>
<br>
And another meedja thing?..<br>
<br>
I?m not too keen on the media group taking over the blog. Obviously we<br>
need them involved, and they?ll probably produce more posts than<br>
anyone else. But they shouldn?t be ?mediating? other groups? posts,<br>
such as legal ? the whole point of the blog is to get away from<br>
traditional media channels. I secretly long for off-message blog<br>
posts, and I?m sure I?m not the only one?.<br>
<br>
Rant over,<br>
<br>
?Alistair????<<dismounts and watches high horse on soapbox gallop<br>
awkwardly into the distance>><br>
<br>
2009/8/13 Jonathan Stevenson <<a href="mailto:jjjstevenson@fastmail.fm" target="_blank">jjjstevenson@fastmail.fm</a>><br>
><br>
> Post Camp gathering isn't very important - much more important that people come to the Camp and take part in the Where Now? day and if they're interested in being part of the Camp in an ongoing way they'll come to the gathering.<br>
><br>
> I think we could probably pick out three key things from the workshops handbook to appear below the swoop that bring out the three main strands of what we're doing this year, which I'd make:<br>
><br>
> 1. Full info about the London Camp, with link to the workshops programme and the 10 reasons to target London text from the handbook<br>
> 2. Drax v Ratcliffe - Tim is on the case - though I think we need to make it clearer that the vote is a spoof - am about to raise this on the Coal Action list<br>
> 3. Copenhagen - we've committed as the Camp to going to Copenhagen so I think we should have Copenhagen and the Reclaim Power day of action as a feature - it's all part of the package of why coming to this camp is important. Did I say package? We can also highlight the international workshops at the Camp.<br>
><br>
> There's also a question about whether we should be putting the ongoing Vestas stuff on the site and how, but because I'm less clear on what's next on that maybe it could be featured in Past Actions or on the ?blog. Not that I'm saying it's a past action.<br>
><br>
> Also isn't Climate camp TV going to appear below in the streams?<br>
><br>
> Plus is there a way in the site design to promote little things beyond the four priority items with a little link? Eg. it would be good to have a link to Climate Camp Radio, maybe the Save Vestas blog, maybe the Ireland Camp if it's happening etc. Almost like a 'Hotlinks' box which isn't particularly structured but is a way to avoid having to have endless discussions about why things that are happening at any given moment and are interesting aren't more important than the four priority items...<br>
><br>
> Sorry can't look back at it on my screen cos at work.<br>
><br>
> J<br>
><br>
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><br>
>> Send us the copy and images - the new site is being launched early next<br>
>> week so we can make it a highlight on there.<br>
>><br>
>> BTW, I am thinking we should do these four highlights initially - what<br>
>> do people think?<br>
>><br>
>> * Summer Swoop<br>
>> * Climate Swoop<br>
>> * ClimateCamp TV<br>
>> * Post-Camp Gathering<br>
>><br>
>> Jon<br>
>><br>
>> On Thu, 2009-08-13 at 10:32 +0100, tim wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hiya,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Any of you guys got any ideas on how we might incorporate promotion of<br>
>>> the voting stages of the great climate swoop onto the website.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I have copy and images that could be used. ?There are also facebook<br>
>>> profiles being created as we speak that could be linked to.<br>
>>><br>
>>> It would be good if this could have a prominent place, perhaps on the<br>
>>> side bar, to replace the Scottish camps button?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Let me know your thoughts and I'll send some graphics across.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Cheers<br>
>>><br>
>>> Tim<br>
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:17:48 +0100<br>
From: Jonathan Leighton <<a href="mailto:j@jonathanleighton.com" target="_blank">j@jonathanleighton.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Cc-webedit] The Great Climate Swoop<br>
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On Thu, 2009-08-13 at 12:40 +0100, Jonathan Stevenson wrote:<br>
> Also isn't Climate camp TV going to appear below in the streams?<br>
<br>
I wasn't anticipating that, no - I'm not sure where it would fit and I<br>
think the format of that area to stay fairly static.<br>
<br>
> Plus is there a way in the site design to promote little things beyond the<br>
> four priority items with a little link? Eg. it would be good to have a link<br>
> to Climate Camp Radio, maybe the Save Vestas blog, maybe the Ireland Camp if<br>
> it's happening etc. Almost like a 'Hotlinks' box which isn't particularly<br>
> structured but is a way to avoid having to have endless discussions about<br>
> why things that are happening at any given moment and are interesting aren't<br>
> more important than the four priority items...<br>
<br>
Not at the moment. I think we could add something like that in the feeds<br>
area, but I think we should see how we go with the current format - I<br>
imagine things will get promoted through blog posts,<br>
<a href="http://new.climatecamp.org.uk" target="_blank">new.climatecamp.org.uk</a> posts, twitter, etc...<br>
<br>
Jon<br>
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:29:24 +0100<br>
From: Jonathan Leighton <<a href="mailto:j@jonathanleighton.com" target="_blank">j@jonathanleighton.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Cc-webedit] The Great Climate Swoop<br>
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On Thu, 2009-08-13 at 14:04 +0100, alistair alexander wrote:<br>
> Main promo ? Swoop (swoop group) (what?s the format in this one ?<br>
> text plus two links?)<br>
<br>
Think it needs to be a balance of swooping and camping. There's no swoop<br>
without a camp, so we need to tell people what the camp is too.<br>
<br>
> Promo 3 ? Copenhagen (international group)<br>
<br>
This one needs fleshing out. So far I know what Copenhagen is, but I've<br>
no idea what the climate camp "strategy" on it is.<br>
<br>
> Promo 4 ? Video (Meedja)<br>
<br>
It sounds like there's not going to be video content til the actual<br>
camp, so we shouldn't be promoting it until the actual camp. I'd say<br>
when the camp comes along we should give video and radio each a slot.<br>
<br>
> We?ll also need 4 blog posts, 3 links in media circus, 3 press releases?<br>
<br>
Yeah, it is a worry that content may be a bit sparse to start with, but<br>
I don't think we should just write content to fill space. I think we<br>
should just start with one blog post - "Welcome to our new site!", and<br>
try to get a new post in each day after that.<br>
<br>
Media Circus is currently being pulled from a Google News search of<br>
"climate camp". Seems to work quite nicely. Twitter is also integrated.<br>
BTW note that I haven't set up caching yet, so sometimes the home page<br>
is a bit slow. Will definitely get to that before launch.<br>
<br>
Press releases should be just a case of getting a load of historical<br>
ones from media - can someone sort this out please? I am going to<br>
integrate it into the blog software so they can add press releases each<br>
time as a new "blog post" (don't worry, it'll be separate from the<br>
actual blog.)<br>
<br>
> Will Hyperactive be ready to feed the frontpage?<br>
<br>
It's already set up. I am hoping to integrate the main site CSS before<br>
launch but may not have time. We could do with some content there but it<br>
ought to be coming from people - any ideas? We could just accept that<br>
it'll be sparse to start with.<br>
<br>
> And the latest tweet from twitter/facebook etc<br>
<br>
Already integrated.<br>
<br>
Jon<br>
<br>
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:54:28 +0100<br>
From: Neil <<a href="mailto:neil_bye@hotmail.com" target="_blank">neil_bye@hotmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Cc-webedit] The Great Climate Swoop<br>
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Hyperactive <a href="http://news.climatecamp.org.uk/pages/publish-page" target="_blank">http://news.climatecamp.org.uk/pages/publish-page</a> has been<br>
broken for two days.<br>
I've put some content up, hope it's OK<br>
<br>
Neil<br>
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hi<br>
<br>
<a href="http://i.ve" target="_blank">i.ve</a> been at work for the last 3 days solid so haven't had any time free<br>
at all. Will look into it this weekend and check out the logs. I know what<br>
the error is saying so just need to check that noone putting up any of the<br>
other sites on the server has changed the password or updated the git<br>
repo. The stuff you posted should be fine provided we can retrieve the<br>
password and dump the database.<br>
<br>
Thanks for letting us know<br>
<br>
jimdog<br>
<br>
> Hyperactive <a href="http://news.climatecamp.org.uk/pages/publish-page" target="_blank">http://news.climatecamp.org.uk/pages/publish-page</a> has been<br>
> broken for two days.<br>
> I've put some content up, hope it's OK<br>
><br>
> Neil<br>
><br>
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:39:02 +0100<br>
From: Chris Kitchen <<a href="mailto:chriskitchen@gmail.com" target="_blank">chriskitchen@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [Cc-webedit] Fwd: [cc-international] Website<br>
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From: Bertie Russell <<a href="mailto:antistrata@riseup.net" target="_blank">antistrata@riseup.net</a>><br>
Date: 2009/8/13<br>
Subject: [cc-international] Website<br>
To: "<a href="mailto:cc-international@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank">cc-international@lists.riseup.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:cc-international@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank">cc-international@lists.riseup.net</a>><br>
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Hey,<br>
<br>
Amy and I are working on the website copy at the moment, and I have just<br>
realised that quite a lot of it falls under our remit.<br>
I presumed that we are in effect turning<br>
<a href="http://climatecamp.org.uk/copenhagen" target="_blank">http://climatecamp.org.uk/copenhagen</a> into the fully developed resource? With<br>
dropdown tabs?<br>
I just noticed that there is also this page, graced with it's own dropdown<br>
in the working groups tab: <a href="http://climatecamp.org.uk/international" target="_blank">http://climatecamp.org.uk/international</a><br>
<br>
So to be clear to everyone, I am NOT bottom-lining the latter link. I am<br>
working on the premise that the former link is being turned into the<br>
websites comprehensive resource on everything COP15 related.<br>
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It is difficult, without know how the website is being restructured, to be<br>
clear on how we should go about structuring our copy. For instance,<br>
following the August camp, will the website become devoted to a) Mass Action<br>
and b) Copenhagen?<br>
Will the Carbon Trading page still exist in it's own right?<br>
<br>
For now, we shall progress with producing the following:<br>
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1. Splash page (prob just Chris' flyer)<br>
2. About COP15 (more in depth, perhaps what I wrote a couple of months ago)<br>
3. Taking Action (a detailed account of what is happening in Copenhagnen,<br>
why, and with who)<br>
4. Logistics (boring)<br>
5. Key Dates<br>
6. Resources (links, downloads, glossary)<br>
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Cheers,<br>
<br>
Bert<br>
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