I've had a look at the current map, and it looks to me like it could be amazing.<br><br>i share all the concerns raised, but, if we didn't use for saturday, it would be a huge opportunity missed to see how it works on a major action. so it seems to me that we should view this as a beta version - a work in progress - and we can work out how it fits in with indymedia and <a href="http://cc.org">cc.org</a> after saturday and before copenhagen.<br>
<br>I've two questions - i'm coming late to this so maybe these issues are all in hand:<br><br>1) how are we going get people to upload stuff on this site? seems to me that's going to be the main challenge - so its got be really easy for people jumping over fences, chasing through undergrowth, being truncheoned etc. are we relying on the documentation team to do most of it? will there be a clear help guide - if so, we need to have it circulated by tomorrow at the latest.<br>
<br>2) can we embed this on <a href="http://cc.org">cc.org</a>? if we going to go with this, we really need to have it surfaced on the climate camp homepage and in the swoop section. <br><br>on corporate technonlogy - clearly we need to use open source/non-corporate alternatives wherever possible. i think we need a discussion on crabgrass on this. for one thing i'm not familiar with the non-corporate alternatives to some really core social network technologies, such as maps and twitter. that's my ignorance, but i'm probably not the only one.....<br>
<br>alistair<br><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/10/14 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:theinnercityhippy@riseup.net">theinnercityhippy@riseup.net</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
hi all.<br>
<br>
Wasn't at the meeting unfortunately but here are a few points i'd like to<br>
make.<br>
<br>
Firstly in regards to the pittsburgh code briefly. Their lack of reply may<br>
be down to the fact that 2 activists were arrested by the fbi at the g20<br>
on major conspiricy charges for using twitter to coordinate the protests<br>
so everyone over there is a bit jumpy. After the event, we'll contact them<br>
as northern imc and put in a request for it as they are more likely to<br>
respond to this.<br>
<br>
Secondly, all of these super cool media things are what the hyperactive<br>
project was started to achieve. The best case scenario here in mx mind<br>
would be for those wanting to work on this to join that development team<br>
where there is already a strong aggregation base for development meaning<br>
no duplication of content and help would be greatly appreciated. The<br>
benefits for the cctv team is that you can then draw on a wealth of talent<br>
from the global indy geek community and the movement as a whole will<br>
benefit from what we produce.<br>
<br>
Mx concerns about the corporate solutions out there are well known but i<br>
concede that there is nothing that can be done in time for the swoop. I<br>
therefore suggest that people use whatever for that, we will be providing<br>
an accurate timeline and a mobile publishing site for the event as an<br>
alternative, and that we sit down afterwards and find open source versions<br>
of what went well (or write our own) and incorporate them into the<br>
hyperactive project for future events. Then the live site can simply be<br>
that with different branding perhaps?<br>
<br>
We're going to make a full presentation to a national gathering soon on<br>
the evils of closed source and corporate solutions with a view to getting<br>
a moratorium on their primary use over our own solutions and this sounds<br>
like it fits in perfectly with this discussion.<br>
<br>
In solidarity<br>
<br>
jimdog<br>
<br>
ps there are a wealth of indy and non indy alt media resources and coders<br>
out there on crabgrass and others which i can direct people to if they<br>
wish :-)<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
> Hi everyone<br>
><br>
> Have now had the chance to have a look in detail at the proposal for the<br>
> new<br>
> site (I was clear at Sunday's CCTV meeting that that would be necessary<br>
> for<br>
> giving consent to it being the tv site) - and I very much support its<br>
> principle of setting up an aggregated live mixed media site. This should<br>
> be<br>
> really exciting and productive during the Swoop.<br>
><br>
> I agree also, though, with the reservations above, viz:<br>
> 1. It is not a TV site, but a very valuable addition to the resources as a<br>
> live mixed media site - it therefore should have the domain<br>
> <a href="http://live.climatecamp.org.uk" target="_blank">live.climatecamp.org.uk</a>. Right now we have set up as a<br>
> <a href="http://stop-gaplive.climatecamp.tv" target="_blank">stop-gaplive.climatecamp.tv</a><br>
> 2. I share the reservations about the corporate solutions provided within<br>
> it<br>
> - these are closed source, whereas both <a href="http://climatecamp.org.uk" target="_blank">climatecamp.org.uk</a> and the<br>
> <a href="http://climatecamp.tv" target="_blank">climatecamp.tv</a> and indymedia are open source (the duplication of indymedia<br>
> with something which is closed source and has IP logging is particularly<br>
> problematic - agree with Jon also that we need to sort this out before the<br>
> weekend).<br>
><br>
> But we like the experiment very much, and would welcome more comments from<br>
> webteam on any issues that arise from using it this weekend.<br>
><br>
> One open source solution for after the Swoop would be to use the imc<br>
> pittsburgh code base (they had a fantastic aggregated site for the recent<br>
> G20).<br>
><br>
> Proposal:<br>
> We put this up when it is ready as a really happening lived mixed media<br>
> site<br>
> with the address <a href="http://live.climatecamp.org.uk" target="_blank">live.climatecamp.org.uk</a><br>
> After the weekend we look at using imc philadelphia's code base for the<br>
> construction of a similar live media aggregated site which is open source.<br>
><br>
> What do especially webteam, who have to set the url, think? I share their<br>
> concerns about indymedia, and confess I can't get my head round it right<br>
> now.....<br>
><br>
> Richard<br>
><br>
> 2009/10/13 Jon Leighton <<a href="mailto:j@jonathanleighton.com">j@jonathanleighton.com</a>><br>
><br>
>> Hiya,<br>
>><br>
>> That demo seems broken now - is it up elsewhere?<br>
>><br>
>> In general I think this is very cool technologically. But no-one seems<br>
>> to be talking about how this relates to Indymedia and I think there is a<br>
>> definite conflict there. Whatever we do with the website on the day,<br>
>> we're going to need to be clear on one place where people should upload<br>
>> their stuff.<br>
>><br>
>> I don't have any great pearls of wisdom, particularly as I am struggling<br>
>> to actually stay awake, but just thought it was important to start the<br>
>> conversation. It's super important we sort this out ASAP.<br>
>><br>
>> Cheers,<br>
>> Jon<br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 01:06 +0100, hamish wrote:<br>
>> > Looked at the website <a href="http://live.climatecamp.tv" target="_blank">http://live.climatecamp.tv</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Interesting widget mash up. I like it, good to experiment with these.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Discussion points<br>
>> ><br>
>> > * This site is the capture the flag site it has been around for a<br>
>> while?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > * Because it is made up of lots of different widgets all the parts of<br>
>> it<br>
>> > have a different look and feel and different functionality, logins<br>
>> etc,<br>
>> > making it unintuitive to navigate in places.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > * the anti-corporate geeks will have HUGE problems with the use of all<br>
>> > corporate solutions, IP tracking, and lack of ownership of data that<br>
>> > comes from using for profit software/hosting.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > * it isn t finished yet.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > * It clearly isn t a TV site, and works best as open publishing so<br>
>> isn t<br>
>> > a replacement for the existing website. See <a href="http://indypgh.org/g20/#" target="_blank">http://indypgh.org/g20/#</a><br>
>> as<br>
>> > the same project at work.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > * Were will the channels be and what hosting will be used?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > * I can t see how comments will be built in. Possible using something<br>
>> > like <a href="http://js-kit.com" target="_blank">http://js-kit.com</a> which I tried 3 months ago, is it working now?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Have created a domain to use <a href="http://live.climatecamp.tv" target="_blank">http://live.climatecamp.tv</a> As this is a<br>
>> > mixed media live site it should really be at <a href="http://live.climatecamp.org.uk" target="_blank">live.climatecamp.org.uk</a> -<br>
>> > it would be more appropriate as a <a href="http://climatecamp.org" target="_blank">climatecamp.org</a> url -it would be<br>
>> best<br>
>> > to ask the cc webteam for that domain.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Hamish<br>
>> > plain text document attachment (message-footer.txt)<br>
>> > -----------------------------<br>
>> > To get to the Media Team Crabgrass, email <a href="mailto:press@climatecamp.org.uk">press@climatecamp.org.uk</a> to<br>
>> request access<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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