Sorry, with the Dispatches sale news, I meant to say - so that is £600 we don't have to raise for broken and stolen equipment. That leaves £950, I believe.<br><br>Cheers<br><br>Richard<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/10/14 richard hering <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:richard@visionon.tv">richard@visionon.tv</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I must say I am finding this process very difficult to work with. It simply isn't right to make major decisions about websites and stuff which involve a number of key players without their being able to participate.<br>
Since the Climate Camp we have had two meetings of CCTV, and on both occasions a pre-arranged lobby has arrived and effectively foisted decisions on the group. The first meeting two weeks ago was supposed to be a de-brief to know what worked and what did not, but obviously a group had already made a debrief among themselves, and this did not happen. Instead a proposal was passed with very radical implications for the CCTV project where anyone disagreeing was left to feel they were very much out on a limb. Then at last Sunday's meeting a website design was shown which is still not live as of today, three days before the swoop, with the completely unnecessary proposal that this should take over the functioning <a href="http://climatecamp.tv" target="_blank">climatecamp.tv</a> site, rather than be linked off it. As has already been discussed since, the site proposed is great if it works, but is not a tv site, but a live mixed media site, a valuable addition to media web presence, not a replacement for the TV. The site the proposed live site is based on, which could actually be demonstrated, has been up for over a month, but was not put out as a link before the meeting, so people were completely unable to form a judgment, and the only person who could was not able to be at the meeting.<br>
<br>It is easy to place a large link on the current <a href="http://climatecamp.tv" target="_blank">climatecamp.tv</a> site which will draw people strongly to the live media site, (exactly similar to what is planned for the <a href="http://climatecamp.org.uk" target="_blank">climatecamp.org.uk</a> site itself) so the fact of cctv already having views, and maybe of publicity having gone out with its url, will not be a problem.<br>
<br>For myself, I remain committed to doing the best for media coverage of climate camp. A small point of good news: after much attempted bartering, Films of Record, who are making a programme Channel Four's Dispatches, are purchasing a clip from "Letter to the Met" for the fee we originally asked for. Yay!<br>
<br>Best wishes to everyone<br><br>Richard<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/10/14 lauren simpson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:laurenjsimpson@googlemail.com" target="_blank">laurenjsimpson@googlemail.com</a>></span><div>
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Hi all,<div><br></div><div>In response to Richard H's email, I'd like to make a few comments.</div><div><br></div><div>- It was agreed at the meeting that we were going ahead with the proposed new site and it would borrow the <a href="http://climatecamp.tv" target="_blank">climatecamp.tv</a> url for the weekend. At no point did you say you needed to go away and think about consenting to the proposal, it was agreed. It is all in place, with an existing audience ready to watch and interact with <a href="http://climatecamp.tv" target="_blank">climatecamp.tv</a> and not another url. To change the plan at this late stage would be confuse and be destructive in my opinion. There is still discussions to be had about the <a href="http://cc.tv" target="_blank">cc.tv</a> site post swoop but for this weekend at least the plan had been agreed.</div>
<div><br></div><div>- the discussion about closed and open sourcing is an important one, and it is agreed that it will be discussed at length by all involved at the next national gathering to find a (open source) solution. For now, with 3 days to go before the swoop, the site should go ahead.</div>
<div><br></div><div>So I propose the next step should be, once the site is ready to go, for <a href="http://climatecamp.tv" target="_blank">climatecamp.tv</a> to become the new site for the weekend. Technically I am inexperienced as to what actually needs to be done to make this happen but with the short time we have left it is crucial for those that need to implement this to communicate and make it happen. Dan and Hamish I believe? </div>
<div><br></div><div>Lauren</div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/10/14 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:theinnercityhippy@riseup.net" target="_blank">theinnercityhippy@riseup.net</a>></span><div>
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hi all.<br>
<br>
Wasn't at the meeting unfortunately but here are a few points i'd like to<br>
make.<br>
<br>
Firstly in regards to the pittsburgh code briefly. Their lack of reply may<br>
be down to the fact that 2 activists were arrested by the fbi at the g20<br>
on major conspiricy charges for using twitter to coordinate the protests<br>
so everyone over there is a bit jumpy. After the event, we'll contact them<br>
as northern imc and put in a request for it as they are more likely to<br>
respond to this.<br>
<br>
Secondly, all of these super cool media things are what the hyperactive<br>
project was started to achieve. The best case scenario here in mx mind<br>
would be for those wanting to work on this to join that development team<br>
where there is already a strong aggregation base for development meaning<br>
no duplication of content and help would be greatly appreciated. The<br>
benefits for the cctv team is that you can then draw on a wealth of talent<br>
from the global indy geek community and the movement as a whole will<br>
benefit from what we produce.<br>
<br>
Mx concerns about the corporate solutions out there are well known but i<br>
concede that there is nothing that can be done in time for the swoop. I<br>
therefore suggest that people use whatever for that, we will be providing<br>
an accurate timeline and a mobile publishing site for the event as an<br>
alternative, and that we sit down afterwards and find open source versions<br>
of what went well (or write our own) and incorporate them into the<br>
hyperactive project for future events. Then the live site can simply be<br>
that with different branding perhaps?<br>
<br>
We're going to make a full presentation to a national gathering soon on<br>
the evils of closed source and corporate solutions with a view to getting<br>
a moratorium on their primary use over our own solutions and this sounds<br>
like it fits in perfectly with this discussion.<br>
<br>
In solidarity<br>
<br>
jimdog<br>
<br>
ps there are a wealth of indy and non indy alt media resources and coders<br>
out there on crabgrass and others which i can direct people to if they<br>
wish :-)<br>
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> Hi everyone<br>
><br>
> Have now had the chance to have a look in detail at the proposal for the<br>
> new<br>
> site (I was clear at Sunday's CCTV meeting that that would be necessary<br>
> for<br>
> giving consent to it being the tv site) - and I very much support its<br>
> principle of setting up an aggregated live mixed media site. This should<br>
> be<br>
> really exciting and productive during the Swoop.<br>
><br>
> I agree also, though, with the reservations above, viz:<br>
> 1. It is not a TV site, but a very valuable addition to the resources as a<br>
> live mixed media site - it therefore should have the domain<br>
> <a href="http://live.climatecamp.org.uk" target="_blank">live.climatecamp.org.uk</a>. Right now we have set up as a<br>
> <a href="http://stop-gaplive.climatecamp.tv" target="_blank">stop-gaplive.climatecamp.tv</a><br>
> 2. I share the reservations about the corporate solutions provided within<br>
> it<br>
> - these are closed source, whereas both <a href="http://climatecamp.org.uk" target="_blank">climatecamp.org.uk</a> and the<br>
> <a href="http://climatecamp.tv" target="_blank">climatecamp.tv</a> and indymedia are open source (the duplication of indymedia<br>
> with something which is closed source and has IP logging is particularly<br>
> problematic - agree with Jon also that we need to sort this out before the<br>
> weekend).<br>
><br>
> But we like the experiment very much, and would welcome more comments from<br>
> webteam on any issues that arise from using it this weekend.<br>
><br>
> One open source solution for after the Swoop would be to use the imc<br>
> pittsburgh code base (they had a fantastic aggregated site for the recent<br>
> G20).<br>
><br>
> Proposal:<br>
> We put this up when it is ready as a really happening lived mixed media<br>
> site<br>
> with the address <a href="http://live.climatecamp.org.uk" target="_blank">live.climatecamp.org.uk</a><br>
> After the weekend we look at using imc philadelphia's code base for the<br>
> construction of a similar live media aggregated site which is open source.<br>
><br>
> What do especially webteam, who have to set the url, think? I share their<br>
> concerns about indymedia, and confess I can't get my head round it right<br>
> now.....<br>
><br>
> Richard<br>
><br>
> 2009/10/13 Jon Leighton <<a href="mailto:j@jonathanleighton.com" target="_blank">j@jonathanleighton.com</a>><br>
><br>
>> Hiya,<br>
>><br>
>> That demo seems broken now - is it up elsewhere?<br>
>><br>
>> In general I think this is very cool technologically. But no-one seems<br>
>> to be talking about how this relates to Indymedia and I think there is a<br>
>> definite conflict there. Whatever we do with the website on the day,<br>
>> we're going to need to be clear on one place where people should upload<br>
>> their stuff.<br>
>><br>
>> I don't have any great pearls of wisdom, particularly as I am struggling<br>
>> to actually stay awake, but just thought it was important to start the<br>
>> conversation. It's super important we sort this out ASAP.<br>
>><br>
>> Cheers,<br>
>> Jon<br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 01:06 +0100, hamish wrote:<br>
>> > Looked at the website <a href="http://live.climatecamp.tv" target="_blank">http://live.climatecamp.tv</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Interesting widget mash up. I like it, good to experiment with these.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Discussion points<br>
>> ><br>
>> > * This site is the capture the flag site it has been around for a<br>
>> while?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > * Because it is made up of lots of different widgets all the parts of<br>
>> it<br>
>> > have a different look and feel and different functionality, logins<br>
>> etc,<br>
>> > making it unintuitive to navigate in places.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > * the anti-corporate geeks will have HUGE problems with the use of all<br>
>> > corporate solutions, IP tracking, and lack of ownership of data that<br>
>> > comes from using for profit software/hosting.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > * it isn t finished yet.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > * It clearly isn t a TV site, and works best as open publishing so<br>
>> isn t<br>
>> > a replacement for the existing website. See <a href="http://indypgh.org/g20/#" target="_blank">http://indypgh.org/g20/#</a><br>
>> as<br>
>> > the same project at work.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > * Were will the channels be and what hosting will be used?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > * I can t see how comments will be built in. Possible using something<br>
>> > like <a href="http://js-kit.com" target="_blank">http://js-kit.com</a> which I tried 3 months ago, is it working now?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Have created a domain to use <a href="http://live.climatecamp.tv" target="_blank">http://live.climatecamp.tv</a> As this is a<br>
>> > mixed media live site it should really be at <a href="http://live.climatecamp.org.uk" target="_blank">live.climatecamp.org.uk</a> -<br>
>> > it would be more appropriate as a <a href="http://climatecamp.org" target="_blank">climatecamp.org</a> url -it would be<br>
>> best<br>
>> > to ask the cc webteam for that domain.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Hamish<br>
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