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<div class="gmail_quote">2009/10/14 Dan Gifford <span dir="ltr"><<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:dan.gifford@mac.com" target="_blank">dan.gifford@mac.com</a>></span><br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">I just wanted to say without having a stance one way or the other that<br>although i am on this list and this is a field (web based participatory<br>
media) which is naturally my speciality subject, and the reason i am<br>involved, i haven't been invited to any of these meetings nor am i aware<br>of any that have been held outside of the london area. This isn't a<br>
problem if this is a separate grouping, but if it is being done under the<br>banner of climate camp then i would have concerns over it's inclusivity.<br></blockquote><br> </div>Yes, I agree. It's not very consensus. I guess it's a bumpy transition to a working group? With a fast looming swoop, and some great enthusiasm and ideas adding to that.</blockquote>
<div><br>yes, this is a concern. we need help not only in terms of skills and resources, but also with the process. there has been an attempt at using both crabgrass and the media list as well as an informal (reply all) mailing list. i can confirm that cctv meetings have been london-centric. i echo dan: this is only temporary and short notice. also, what we are putting together is in NO WAY a centralisation of all camp media. this would be neither desirable, nor feasible in my mind.<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">With that in mind, i'd ask that a decision on whether this is a permanent<br>way of getting climate camp media out be held off until it can be properly<br>
discussed at a national meeting without prejudice. This should of course<br>include all those affected including the web, media and outreach teams,<br>but most importantly campers themselves so that they can be asked how they<br>
want to be portrayed.<br></blockquote><br> </div>It will be a great thing that the climate camp has 'TV' as a working group. Sharing the skills and workload within the movement, and getting a more authentic message than ever. With feed in ideas from the rest of the camp.<br>
VisionON, Indymedia crew, and other working groups within the camp (and individuals) have done so much work to help the voices be heard so far.</blockquote>
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<div>absolutely. we are still an affinity group and as you may know, the proposal to form cctv working group was blocked in leeds due to lack of information. this is something to address collectively and summing up what has been achieved in the past, as well as more recently with blackheath and swoop.</div>
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<div>Like i say, i'm in neither camp but would ask that all this energy is<br> </div>directed into the swoop...<br></blockquote><br>It will be great indeed. :o)</blockquote>
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<div>words of wisdom!</div><br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">and that what comes after can wait for a proper<br>discussion that includes everyone.<br></blockquote>
<br> </div>Sounds like a very exciting meeting!<br><font color="#888888">Dan</font></blockquote>
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<div>And much needed.</div>
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<div>Best, </div>
<div>R</div></div>