From tabitha747 at riseup.net  Mon Aug  9 11:23:38 2004
From: tabitha747 at riseup.net (tabitha747 at riseup.net)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 03:23:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [dissent-tech] EF gathering
In-Reply-To: <opsbucds0jjhkrr6@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <20040727152804.70391.qmail@web25402.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<33110.tabitha747.1091000871.squirrel@195.92.168.163>
	<opsbucds0jjhkrr6@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1465.tabitha747.1092047018.squirrel@195.92.168.170>

Just to check - i missed the little gathering about web stuff but i
understood people were going to get together for half a day to sort web
stuff at the dissent gathering.   Could we make this on the monday after
the gathering?

K and I went through the web site as non-techie people with a focus only
on the content arrangement and accessibility to info.  I'm waiting for a
copy of our notes but i'll post them here as soon as i can for any
comments.

love t



From stuartmelvin2 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug  3 19:05:22 2004
From: stuartmelvin2 at hotmail.com (stuart melvin)
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 18:05:22 +0000
Subject: [dissent-tech] list
Message-ID: <BAY22-F2671G7a24vuR000d0267@hotmail.com>

Hi guys,

Sorry if ive chosen the wrong email address, it seemed the most likely 
suitable on the dissent website.
Anyway, do you know if there is anything wrong with the general email list 
as I havnt recieved any mails for a least a couple weeks??
Can you let me know if there is suminc wrong or if its just my computer 
acting up??

Cheers,

Stu.

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From anarchobabe at fempages.org  Mon Aug  9 14:55:17 2004
From: anarchobabe at fempages.org (Anarcho Babe)
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:55:17 +0100
Subject: [dissent-tech] EF gathering
In-Reply-To: <1465.tabitha747.1092047018.squirrel@195.92.168.170>
References: <20040727152804.70391.qmail@web25402.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<33110.tabitha747.1091000871.squirrel@195.92.168.163>
	<opsbucds0jjhkrr6@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>
	<1465.tabitha747.1092047018.squirrel@195.92.168.170>
Message-ID: <opscgwyfl4jhkrr6@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>

Hi to all.

a little web jamming session and meeting Monday after the gathering seems 
fine to me.
What kind of venue do you want?
we could meet up in ACE, but only one slow internet connection with dial- 
up. (better for theoretical discussion).

We could also go to the Forest Art and event space, they have wireless 
connection and 2 computers on broadband for public no cost use.

Or we could try to meet up in the library/community centre; or privately, 
depends how many we are and what we want to do and would need?
(e.g. scanner and similar)
let me know what you envisage and want to do, and if it should be a public 
meeting or a more private one, so to know what to organise and for how 
many.

ciao Ulla



On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 03:23:38 -0700 (PDT), <tabitha747 at riseup.net> wrote:

> Just to check - i missed the little gathering about web stuff but i
> understood people were going to get together for half a day to sort web
> stuff at the dissent gathering.   Could we make this on the monday after
> the gathering?
>
> K and I went through the web site as non-techie people with a focus only
> on the content arrangement and accessibility to info.  I'm waiting for a
> copy of our notes but i'll post them here as soon as i can for any
> comments.
>
> love t
>
> _______________________________________________
> dissent-tech mailing list
> dissent-tech at lists.aktivix.org
> http://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/dissent-tech
>
>



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From des_reader at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Aug  9 17:48:25 2004
From: des_reader at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?DESMOND=20READER?=)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 17:48:25 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [dissent-tech] Re: dissent-tech Digest, Vol 2, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <200408091100.i79B02B6021683@springnight.burngreave.net>
Message-ID: <20040809164825.33107.qmail@web25406.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>


i want to subscribe join get involved whatever if i
can get the hang of this computer stuff anyone
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> Just to check - i missed the little gathering about
> web stuff but i
> understood people were going to get together for
> half a day to sort web
> stuff at the dissent gathering.   Could we make this
> on the monday after
> the gathering?
> 
> K and I went through the web site as non-techie
> people with a focus only
> on the content arrangement and accessibility to
> info.  I'm waiting for a
> copy of our notes but i'll post them here as soon as
> i can for any
> comments.
> 
> love t
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From anarchobabe at fempages.org  Tue Aug 10 15:46:17 2004
From: anarchobabe at fempages.org (Anarcho Babe)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:46:17 +0100
Subject: [dissent-tech] added  local weather link
Message-ID: <opscitzfefjhkrr6@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>

Added local weather link to main menu. Unfortunately it links to BBC 
website, could not find anything better.
Is this okay or would people like to put it into different section?
ciao Ulla

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From anarchobabe at fempages.org  Mon Aug 16 14:55:37 2004
From: anarchobabe at fempages.org (Anarcho Babe)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:55:37 +0100
Subject: [dissent-tech] flyer and email
Message-ID: <opsctvmzzsjhkrr6@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>

Hia,

just wondering if people here agree to publish the email "[resistg82005] 
update from roadshow" from Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:09:47, of the resistg82005 
list on the Dissent website?

What about the document - rtf text - are pple agreeing to put it up on the 
Dissent site ,too, or rather not?

Ciao Ulla


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From lists at j12.org  Mon Aug 16 16:40:06 2004
From: lists at j12.org (Space Bunny)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:40:06 +0100
Subject: [dissent-tech] new WYSIWYG editor on dissent site
In-Reply-To: <opsbucds0jjhkrr6@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <20040727152804.70391.qmail@web25402.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>	<33110.tabitha747.1091000871.squirrel@195.92.168.163>
	<opsbucds0jjhkrr6@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4120D556.9070507@j12.org>

I have enabled a new WYSIWYG editor on dissent web site. HTMLArea3

Just go to add a new page in admin interface and it loads to give lots 
of buttons above the form that give it look of word processor.

It works in Mozilla as well as MSIE. It blows me away with options.

The drop down menu of css styles is great, if we add some to stylesheet.

Hovering mouse over button gives more detail about what it does.

one can choose link doc from dropdown listing of files in docmanager 
when creating link as well as entering raw.
I have yet to test fully.

But 'enlarge editor' seems to reset text so only use on new entry.

The clean up msword html output does not seem to do much, leaving lost 
of redundant mso classes in. Maybe it only works on stuff when just 
pasted in with all intact, or just cleans up a little bit.

One can toggle to just edit raw html, or you could just turn off 
javascript which you may want to do on low spec pc, to  prevent loading.

Any problems with please report here.

I note there are still several 'unpublished' texts in past mobilisations 
section only viewable by editors. Is that how they are meant to be. Till 
more/all added?

I enabled the weather module (bottom right) as a bit of  gimmick which 
is taking data  from Luchers Air force base in fife as closest I could 
find from all the weather stations. In fact this is where the US 
president may come in.

cheers,

Space Bunny
http://j12.org/sb/web.htm


From reading-anti-g8 at cyber-rights.net  Mon Aug 16 14:18:09 2004
From: reading-anti-g8 at cyber-rights.net (reading-anti-g8 at cyber-rights.net)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 06:18:09 -0700
Subject: [dissent-tech] Reading local group contact
Message-ID: <200408161318.i7GDIAjA070252@mailserver1.hushmail.com>

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We're in the process of establishing an anti-G8 group in the Reading
area, and were hoping you could add this email address as a contact on
the website.  We also have a phone number - 07956104415


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From woofnbark at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 16 19:02:14 2004
From: woofnbark at hotmail.com (gs zgf)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:02:14 +0100
Subject: [dissent-tech] Forum moved
Message-ID: <BAY13-F386VdLgwcLID0008669a@hotmail.com>

You use to have a Forum linked to Enrager.


Anyway just to let you know that the "Enrager" forum has moved from their 
"Front" page to

http://enrager.net/forums/viewforum.php?f=67

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From alexa at riseup.net  Wed Aug 18 15:00:43 2004
From: alexa at riseup.net (alexa at riseup.net)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 07:00:43 -0700
Subject: [dissent-tech] Forum moved
In-Reply-To: <BAY13-F386VdLgwcLID0008669a@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY13-F386VdLgwcLID0008669a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <1092837643.4123610b5e490@mail.riseup.net>

Er, the resistG8 forum is still in the same place...

That is the direct link but it is also viewable on the forums front page@
enrager.net/forums

Quoting gs zgf <woofnbark at hotmail.com>:

> You use to have a Forum linked to Enrager.
> 
> 
> Anyway just to let you know that the "Enrager" forum has moved from their
> 
> "Front" page to
> 
> http://enrager.net/forums/viewforum.php?f=67
> 
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From thecastleisburning at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Aug 18 19:38:36 2004
From: thecastleisburning at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?rkn?=)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:38:36 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [dissent-tech] Forum moved
In-Reply-To: <1092837643.4123610b5e490@mail.riseup.net>
Message-ID: <20040818183836.88115.qmail@web25106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Yup, forum hasnt moved at all  (well moved down 2
spaces) and even does move the URL remains the same so
nothing needs changing!

rkn
enrager.net

 --- alexa at riseup.net wrote: 
> Er, the resistG8 forum is still in the same place...
> 
> That is the direct link but it is also viewable on
> the forums front page@
> enrager.net/forums
> 
> Quoting gs zgf <woofnbark at hotmail.com>:
> 
> > You use to have a Forum linked to Enrager.
> > 
> > 
> > Anyway just to let you know that the "Enrager"
> forum has moved from their
> > 
> > "Front" page to
> > 
> > http://enrager.net/forums/viewforum.php?f=67
> > 
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From tabitha747 at riseup.net  Thu Aug 19 14:33:17 2004
From: tabitha747 at riseup.net (tabitha747 at riseup.net)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 06:33:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [dissent-tech] Proposed changes to website
Message-ID: <30327.tabitha747.1092922397.squirrel@195.92.168.178>

Some of us got together as we found the website to be a bit confusing and
difficult to navigate.  These are the notes from our discussions.  Please
comment.

HOME PAGE:
This if possible should only have the intro paragraph and a left hand
column with the following on it:
* Menu list (see below)
* Calendar (as it is on current site except with content)
* Hit counter


MAIN MENU:
How this site works: [closed] This link should take you to a text about
how to use the site including list of pages and what to post where, login
box for administrators, and a contact link for the website working group)
Newsflash [open publishing]
Gatherings [open?] This page should have current invite and agenda (if
available), contact for gathering working group, archive of past minutes.
Local Groups - as it is
Working Groups- as it is.
G8 info [open] Tadzio's article, links to interesting sites (e.g. Official
G8 site, Uni of Toronto, Perthshire etc.)
Tactics, Targets and Training [open] - Maps, company info, photos,
training info, links to events, Legal info and links to legal pages,
Medical info and links to medical pages, Mental Health info, etc.
Publicity Resources [open] PDFs, texts, images, calls to action etc.
International Network [open] links to translations
Discussion Forum (link to enrager.net)
Media [closed?] This should link to a page with a media disclaimer and a
link to indymedia.org.uk and links to other "alternative media" [open]
page with a list of other useful alternative media links.
Archive [open] everything else...?


Essentially a large part of this is re-organising the links page to actual
content pages so that things can be more easily found.

love T XX
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From anarchobabe at fempages.org  Thu Aug 19 17:03:49 2004
From: anarchobabe at fempages.org (Anarcho Babe)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:03:49 +0100
Subject: [dissent-tech] Proposed changes to website
In-Reply-To: <30327.tabitha747.1092922397.squirrel@195.92.168.178>
References: <30327.tabitha747.1092922397.squirrel@195.92.168.178>
Message-ID: <opsczlknr7jhkrr6@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>

Actually I am not quite understanding why to change the webpage, it looks 
fine to me the way it is and the current proposals seem to me even more 
confusing than present state.
ciao Ulla


On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 06:33:17 -0700 (PDT), <tabitha747 at riseup.net> wrote:

> Some of us got together as we found the website to be a bit confusing and
> difficult to navigate.  These are the notes from our discussions.  Please
> comment.
>
> HOME PAGE:
> This if possible should only have the intro paragraph and a left hand
> column with the following on it:
> * Menu list (see below)
> * Calendar (as it is on current site except with content)
> * Hit counter
>
>
> MAIN MENU:
> How this site works: [closed] This link should take you to a text about
> how to use the site including list of pages and what to post where, login
> box for administrators, and a contact link for the website working group)
> Newsflash [open publishing]
> Gatherings [open?] This page should have current invite and agenda (if
> available), contact for gathering working group, archive of past minutes.
> Local Groups - as it is
> Working Groups-as it is.
> G8 info [open] Tadzio's article, links to interesting sites (e.g. 
> Official
> G8 site, Uni of Toronto, Perthshire etc.)
> Tactics, Targets and Training [open] - Maps, company info, photos,
> training info, links to events, Legal info and links to legal pages,
> Medical info and links to medical pages, Mental Health info, etc.
> Publicity Resources [open] PDFs, texts, images, calls to action etc.
> International Network [open] links to translations
> Discussion Forum (link to enrager.net)
> Media [closed?] This should link to a page with a media disclaimer and a
> link to indymedia.org.uk and links to other "alternative media" [open]
> page with a list of other useful alternative media links.
> Archive [open] everything else...?
>
>
> Essentially a large part of this is re-organising the links page to 
> actual
> content pages so that things can be more easily found.
>
> love T XX



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From tabitha747 at riseup.net  Thu Aug 19 18:01:09 2004
From: tabitha747 at riseup.net (tabitha747 at riseup.net)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:01:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fwd: Re: [dissent-tech] Proposed changes to website]
Message-ID: <61726.tabitha747.1092934869.squirrel@195.92.168.166>


We didn't feel the same ( although admittedly we didn't ask around loads
but we did ask some others).  If you have been involved in the web site as
it has evolved it does all make sense and i'm also quite used to the site
now, but coming to it from the outside we think its confusing and very
busy and the structure isn't necessarily logical as it has kind of just
evolved over time.  Lots of people won't want or be able to spend time
searching and exploring the website so as an information resource its
essential that it is easily accessible for all.  Please take time to read
through and imagine the changes

> Actually I am not quite understanding why to change the webpage, it
looks fine to me the way it is and the current proposals seem to me even
more confusing than present state.
> ciao Ulla
>
>
> On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 06:33:17 -0700 (PDT), <tabitha747 at riseup.net> wrote:
>
>> Some of us got together as we found the website to be a bit confusing and
>> difficult to navigate.  These are the notes from our discussions. Please
>> comment.
>>
>> HOME PAGE:
>> This if possible should only have the intro paragraph and a left hand
column with the following on it:
>> * Menu list (see below)
>> * Calendar (as it is on current site except with content)
>> * Hit counter
>>
>>
>> MAIN MENU:
>> How this site works: [closed] This link should take you to a text about
how to use the site including list of pages and what to post where,
login
>> box for administrators, and a contact link for the website working group)
>> Newsflash [open publishing]
>> Gatherings [open?] This page should have current invite and agenda (if
available), contact for gathering working group, archive of past
minutes.
>> Local Groups - as it is
>> Working Groups-as it is.
>> G8 info [open] Tadzio's article, links to interesting sites (e.g. Official
>> G8 site, Uni of Toronto, Perthshire etc.)
>> Tactics, Targets and Training [open] - Maps, company info, photos,
training info, links to events, Legal info and links to legal pages,
Medical info and links to medical pages, Mental Health info, etc.
Publicity Resources [open] PDFs, texts, images, calls to action etc.
International Network [open] links to translations
>> Discussion Forum (link to enrager.net)
>> Media [closed?] This should link to a page with a media disclaimer and
a link to indymedia.org.uk and links to other "alternative media"
[open] page with a list of other useful alternative media links.
>> Archive [open] everything else...?
>>
>>
>> Essentially a large part of this is re-organising the links page to actual
>> content pages so that things can be more easily found.
>>
>> love T XX
>
>
>
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From anarchobabe at fempages.org  Thu Aug 19 18:22:54 2004
From: anarchobabe at fempages.org (Anarcho Babe)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:22:54 +0100
Subject: Fwd: Re: [dissent-tech] Proposed changes to website
In-Reply-To: <opsczo5yxrjhkrr6@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <30327.tabitha747.1092922397.squirrel@195.92.168.178>
	<opsczlknr7jhkrr6@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>
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	<opsczo5yxrjhkrr6@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk>
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From: Anarcho Babe <anarchobabe at fempages.org>
To: tabitha747 at riseup.net
Subject: Re: [dissent-tech] Proposed changes to website
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:21:24 +0100

> Well if "some" people think that "some people feel" that "some people" 
> can't access the site, than that's not my problem. I am sure, there are 
> also "some people" who think that "some people" have expressed to them 
> that "some other people" might actually like the website as it is.
>
> Anyway i won't participate in any structural changes to the website nor 
> the Content Management System. It might be wise to secure the database 
> before it gets fucked up, because I have absolutely no clue how these 
> proposals can be technically implemented and i have not the time nor the 
> preferences to do so or think about it, in my opinion that is an absolut 
> waste of time, which could be better spend elsewhere.
>
> Why don't you just create some static pages in addition instead of 
> overhauling this CMS, which works so brilliantly at the moment?
> Anyway I would like to block the proposed changes, untill there is clear 
> consensus, particularly where it incolves the structure of the site/CMS.
> ciao Ulla
>
>
> On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:53:27 -0700 (PDT), <tabitha747 at riseup.net> wrote:
>
>> We didn't feel the same and found that some others felt the same (
>> although admittedly we didn't ask around loads).  If you have been
>> involved in the web site as it has evolved it does all make sense and 
>> i'm
>> also quite used to the site now, but coming to it from the outside we
>> think its confusing and very busy and the structure isn't necessarily
>> logical it has kind of just evolved over time.  Lots of people won't 
>> want
>> or be able to spend time searching and exploring the website so as an
>> information resource is essential that it is easily accessible for all.
>>
>>> Actually I am not quite understanding why to change the webpage, it 
>>> looks
>>> fine to me the way it is and the current proposals seem to me even more
>>> confusing than present state.
>>> ciao Ulla
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 06:33:17 -0700 (PDT), <tabitha747 at riseup.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Some of us got together as we found the website to be a bit confusing
>>>> and
>>>> difficult to navigate.  These are the notes from our discussions.
>>>> Please
>>>> comment.
>>>>
>>>> HOME PAGE:
>>>> This if possible should only have the intro paragraph and a left hand
>>>> column with the following on it:
>>>> * Menu list (see below)
>>>> * Calendar (as it is on current site except with content)
>>>> * Hit counter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> MAIN MENU:
>>>> How this site works: [closed] This link should take you to a text 
>>>> about
>>>> how to use the site including list of pages and what to post where,
>>>> login
>>>> box for administrators, and a contact link for the website working
>>>> group)
>>>> Newsflash [open publishing]
>>>> Gatherings [open?] This page should have current invite and agenda (if
>>>> available), contact for gathering working group, archive of past
>>>> minutes.
>>>> Local Groups - as it is
>>>> Working Groups-as it is.
>>>> G8 info [open] Tadzio's article, links to interesting sites (e.g.
>>>> Official
>>>> G8 site, Uni of Toronto, Perthshire etc.)
>>>> Tactics, Targets and Training [open] - Maps, company info, photos,
>>>> training info, links to events, Legal info and links to legal pages,
>>>> Medical info and links to medical pages, Mental Health info, etc.
>>>> Publicity Resources [open] PDFs, texts, images, calls to action etc.
>>>> International Network [open] links to translations
>>>> Discussion Forum (link to enrager.net)
>>>> Media [closed?] This should link to a page with a media disclaimer and 
>>>> a
>>>> link to indymedia.org.uk and links to other "alternative media" [open]
>>>> page with a list of other useful alternative media links.
>>>> Archive [open] everything else...?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Essentially a large part of this is re-organising the links page to
>>>> actual
>>>> content pages so that things can be more easily found.
>>>>
>>>> love T XX
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://www.fempages.org
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>



-- 
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From lists at j12.org  Thu Aug 19 21:44:37 2004
From: lists at j12.org (Space Bunny)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:44:37 +0100
Subject: [dissent-tech] Proposed changes to website
In-Reply-To: <30327.tabitha747.1092922397.squirrel@195.92.168.178>
References: <30327.tabitha747.1092922397.squirrel@195.92.168.178>
Message-ID: <41251135.6080408@j12.org>

tabitha747 at riseup.net wrote:

>Some of us got together as we found the website to be a bit confusing and
>difficult to navigate.
>

There is navigation on every page, in left col and at bottom and also a 
bread trail at top, leading one back.
The thing is there is allot on the site and there will be more, which 
will make it more overwhelming than you static web version of  a leaflet 
that many sites are, but that's what this site has become as people have 
wished allot to go on site.



>  These are the notes from our discussions.  Please
>comment.
>
>HOME PAGE:
>This if possible should only have the intro paragraph and a left hand
>column with the following on it:
>* Menu list (see below)
>* Calendar (as it is on current site except with content)
>  
>
No one is overseeing putting meetings on the dynamic calendar, it is bit 
hit and miss. I don't see reasons to have it at forefront especially 
given this.

>* Hit counter
>  
>
I actually was considering removing one displayed at mo, as it is 
misleading; see stats in admin. It would actually be more misleading if 
used with static pages as it displays hits for each dynamic each page 
called. Or do you want a separate hit counter for just hits on front page.

>MAIN MENU:
>How this site works: [closed] This link should take you to a text about
>how to use the site including list of pages and what to post where, login
>box for administrators, and a contact link for the website working group)
>Newsflash [open publishing]
>  
>
I am totally against any form of 'open publishing' on dissent network 
site as I understand 'open publishing'.

In fact I have never been that keen on the guestbook with it's open 
publishing (display straight away - moderate after post) model, but I 
can live with it, especially  as the  openness of a guest book is 
understood by viewers.

But for other parts of the site I have always promoted fact that while 
the content can be alter by a web interface access to that interface is 
restricted to those that are involved in dissent working and local 
groups, and is managed through a web of trust.
And if any access to submit stuff for site as in case with web links at 
moment users not in this web of trust would have stuff moderated after 
submission.

I may have added  to confusion by at dissent gathering by getting over 
that I was asking people in working groups to come forward to add 
content to say that it was like indymedia to add via a web interface. 
But the workflow for arriving at what people see certainly is not like 
indymedia.


>Gatherings [open?] This page should have current invite and agenda (if
>available), contact for gathering working group, archive of past minutes.
>Local Groups - as it is
>Working Groups- as it is.
>G8 info [open] Tadzio's article, links to interesting sites (e.g. Official
>G8 site, Uni of Toronto, Perthshire etc.)
>Tactics, Targets and Training [open] - Maps, company info, photos,
>training info, links to events, Legal info and links to legal pages,
>Medical info and links to medical pages, Mental Health info, etc.
>Publicity Resources [open] PDFs, texts, images, calls to action etc.
>International Network [open] links to translations
>Discussion Forum (link to enrager.net)
>Media [closed?] This should link to a page with a media disclaimer and a
>link to indymedia.org.uk and links to other "alternative media" [open]
>page with a list of other useful alternative media links.
>Archive [open] everything else...?
>  
>

I am guessing (but it is only a guess as I am unclear) that by 'open' 
you actually mean dynamically managed via the CMSs web interface which 
multiple people have layered access to. And 'closed' you mean some 
static pages that are managed through one person like most websites that 
have sprung up for these sort of things.

If someone is willing to and manages the process of creating them then 
some static pages to be created and maybe the first page people see when 
they come to www.dissent.org.uk to be one. We have to get round fact we 
don't want to break incoming links that one can't use index.html in same 
directory as index.php of cms as interferes with POST function, but 
there is a way round this splitting usage of domains with and without 
www. and some redirects. We can cross that bridge when we come to it.

But the scheme  you lay out does not quite fit my interperation, as it 
would imply selected dynamic elements to be used in some lone (in 
general 'static') pages. At the moment the site is built around use of 
one template and site is driven via index.php, one of great things about 
mambo cms is one can build sets of pages and embed a few of dynamic 
elements in them, using different module sets from the same db. But I 
have never tried this myself, and not sure of possibilities or 
limitations of this ( http://www.j12.org/sb/mamhooks.htm ).  In fact I 
have not got round to finishing the look and feel of the G1 template I 
hoped to work on, which involves adding more class to get images to show 
in modules,  sub menus to show etc.. When Gary took helm over the then 
rudderless website oversight, he rather than developing a new template 
just switch to a different default one. I have no problem with this. But 
it does indicate we have so far had limited human resources to then 
develop how the site at a structural level, rather than content. Now it 
could be just inertia due to how this website sites in a fuzzy wide 
ranging project.

One thing I have always promoted is being a network of groups, local 
groups should do there own websites. There is no one way of making a 
website that suits all viewers.  At one point I wanted the site 2 col 
with all modules on left, but others went with 3 col.

We link to forum on another site so we don't have to worry about 
overseeing it, and can use time, to develop other content.

I think we get balance about right with this one, given human resources 
we have.

Until I get a clear idea of how you wish to implement what you suggest 
it is hard to comment.

But it seems you want to group some stuff around certain categories that 
is spread across various bit of functionality in the CMS, this can not 
really be don't in a clean elegant way within the limits of how the off 
the shelf cms works. Though I can see idea of some static pages with 
pointers to various sub sections within each bit of functionality. But 
at end of day if one want to make a site with an elegant structure alike 
a guide book then doing another site as a static site copying what you 
need from dynamic  and one person updating now and again may be best way 
to achieve this. It would be duplication of info but as I have said be 
fore I don't see that as a problem just if the extra effort to create 
(and maintain if not timeless) is worth it.

Also one change you made before of changing Documents to Downloads, 
choose to lead people to that part of site based on functioning of it 
rather than what to find there. And that act of downloading is apparent 
to you as that is how you are set up. But for many when they click on 
link to pdf or rtf file, it open within there browser, like a web page. 
Now you and I with our technical  knowledge know that it is an external 
plugin (Acrobat, xpdf, ghostscript or whatever) rather than browser 
itself that is doing that, but to many casual viewers it will be same 
action as other webpages. Now I realise then that you perhaps wanted to 
differentiate it from the section of html marked up texts, but I don't 
think changing name to 'downloads' achieves that. One could remove menu 
item altogether but there are bigger disadvantages to that, in extra 
work of ensuring one links to each doc from a web page in one of 
sections (made easier now in that there is a drop down menu of all docs 
in doc manager when one makes a link with wysiwyg editor of content), 
and fact admin would have just the admin interface to to get to doc 
manager to add stuff via, and I quite like fact I can browse stuff like 
a casual viewer then just hit edit or upload link (if logged in as editor).

As ever those of you in working groups that have not got admin access 
(and help/training) to site please put yourself forward.
I am happy to meet with others active on list/site as suggested monday 
just after the gathering. But in Bradford I found my self free most of 
sat evening and only one person approached me to be shown site. Also 
someone added the website to the agenda at Bradford, so obviously had 
some thoughts on it, but never put them self forward to express them at 
gathering. If someone wants to to put website on agenda at next 
gathering do have a clear idea of what you want decided and discussed 
and lay ground work for that. There may have been a need for debate 
should a network have website early on, which I guess is linked in with 
the debate that everyone has been getting fed up with of what is a 
network? (well lets just do it and find out). But I think it is too late 
now we have this site, it is there. And I think it has done a good job 
so far. There will of course be stuff discussed at network gathering 
which will affect and feed into what goes on site. As site reflects what 
network is doing.

Anyway more on that later.

also all those with admin access please note:

If in admin one is trying to copy and past text into text boxs, if the 
javascript wysiwyg editor is active, browsers will often on allow the 
copy and past to   interact with the javascript. This is a security 
measure to prevent people who run website being able to arbitrarily take 
stuff from you clip board. Press the button marked <html> to get raw 
form and past in there then return to wysiwyg editor by press toggle 
<html> button again. If you put some raw tags in such as <p> it will try 
to close any unclosed ones. It also trys to convert special characters, 
one less thing to worry about.
http://webmonkey.wired.com/webmonkey/reference/special_characters/


Also I will be quite busy with several projects including setting up 
servers to rehost sites such as dissent.org.uk as the present set up for 
hosting sites I have comes to end in October. Many details have yet to 
be worked out for new servers, and will let people know near time what 
options are. But there will be hopefully a collectively managed server 
for political sites. There should be no changes as far as users of site 
concerned, except for temp downtime during move.

bye for now,

Space Bunny
http://j12.org/sb/


From cattracker2004 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Aug 19 18:49:54 2004
From: cattracker2004 at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Cat=20Tracker?=)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:49:54 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Fwd: Re: [dissent-tech] Proposed changes to website]
In-Reply-To: <61726.tabitha747.1092934869.squirrel@195.92.168.166>
Message-ID: <20040819174954.46827.qmail@web25303.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Yes thats fine, it dosent take a lot to reorganise the
menue, but putting up sections that we have no content
for, dosent help.
At the Brighton Gathering it was decided that the web
group was only responsible for design and
managment,not content, as this could influance the
dissent network and is a form of media in its own
right. also i have heard nothing from any working
group or local group supplying content or offering to
be a contact with the exeption to yuourself, who
admirably is wanting to make changes and at least is
having a go.

there is also anothet issue that needs to be sorted
and that is where to put the international callout (in
english and other languages) not to mention
translation that some one has at least started. but is
in the news section so it will move out of sight as
other people add news!

Much of this is to be disscused and sorted out at the
next dissent! gathering as its hoped that the web
group are going to meet up a couple of days before and
get drunk,no scrub that get work done! are you
comming? hope so because we need people like you
giving input.
but if not ill take a printed copy of the suggestions
with me. 
One of the problems we do have is that anyone can post
stuff on the web site there are loads of files on
there that has no link too, because no one has asked
us for help in the use of the mambo system, I am
currently sorting out a draft on How to use this site.
and the philosophy of the web group ie we dont do
content (even though i am working on it, see!) 

Ps if you need to contact me the number is 07985
540605
or 01332 835426

All the best hope to get stuff sorted next week on the
web
Love and rage
Gary

 --- tabitha747 at riseup.net wrote: 
> 
> We didn't feel the same ( although admittedly we
> didn't ask around loads
> but we did ask some others).  If you have been
> involved in the web site as
> it has evolved it does all make sense and i'm also
> quite used to the site
> now, but coming to it from the outside we think its
> confusing and very
> busy and the structure isn't necessarily logical as
> it has kind of just
> evolved over time.  Lots of people won't want or be
> able to spend time
> searching and exploring the website so as an
> information resource its
> essential that it is easily accessible for all. 
> Please take time to read
> through and imagine the changes
> 
> > Actually I am not quite understanding why to
> change the webpage, it
> looks fine to me the way it is and the current
> proposals seem to me even
> more confusing than present state.
> > ciao Ulla
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 06:33:17 -0700 (PDT),
> <tabitha747 at riseup.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Some of us got together as we found the website
> to be a bit confusing and
> >> difficult to navigate.  These are the notes from
> our discussions. Please
> >> comment.
> >>
> >> HOME PAGE:
> >> This if possible should only have the intro
> paragraph and a left hand
> column with the following on it:
> >> * Menu list (see below)
> >> * Calendar (as it is on current site except with
> content)
> >> * Hit counter
> >>
> >>
> >> MAIN MENU:
> >> How this site works: [closed] This link should
> take you to a text about
> how to use the site including list of pages and what
> to post where,
> login
> >> box for administrators, and a contact link for
> the website working group)
> >> Newsflash [open publishing]
> >> Gatherings [open?] This page should have current
> invite and agenda (if
> available), contact for gathering working group,
> archive of past
> minutes.
> >> Local Groups - as it is
> >> Working Groups-as it is.
> >> G8 info [open] Tadzio's article, links to
> interesting sites (e.g. Official
> >> G8 site, Uni of Toronto, Perthshire etc.)
> >> Tactics, Targets and Training [open] - Maps,
> company info, photos,
> training info, links to events, Legal info and links
> to legal pages,
> Medical info and links to medical pages, Mental
> Health info, etc.
> Publicity Resources [open] PDFs, texts, images,
> calls to action etc.
> International Network [open] links to translations
> >> Discussion Forum (link to enrager.net)
> >> Media [closed?] This should link to a page with a
> media disclaimer and
> a link to indymedia.org.uk and links to other
> "alternative media"
> [open] page with a list of other useful alternative
> media links.
> >> Archive [open] everything else...?
> >>
> >>
> >> Essentially a large part of this is re-organising
> the links page to actual
> >> content pages so that things can be more easily
> found.
> >>
> >> love T XX
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://www.fempages.org
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> dissent-tech mailing list
> dissent-tech at lists.aktivix.org
>
http://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/dissent-tech
>  

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From revolting2005 at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Aug 20 11:26:23 2004
From: revolting2005 at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?revolting?=)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:26:23 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Fwd: Re: [dissent-tech] Proposed changes to website]
In-Reply-To: <20040819174954.46827.qmail@web25303.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040820102623.71978.qmail@web25110.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Thanks for also forwarding this to me. Just like to
chip in my 2 pence worth... I think that T`s
suggestions really make sense. The only thing that I`d
add is that the "International Networking" link could
perhaps be called "International Networking and
Translations" for people coming to the site wanting to
find info in languages other than English as easily as
possible. It might even make sense to have these as 2
separate links, with one link just called
"Translations" translated into several languages.

As for there not being content for some of the
suggested links, it seems to me that thats only the
case with the "Tactics, Targets and Training" section.
 This seems to me like it could be a really good
resource. To start off with we could just put in a few
links to thinks like the Black Cross medical
collective etc... and build this up later. I for one
would definitely be up for looking for links to put in
here.

Just a thought... I think that after the ESF (if we
are together) there will be a lot of hits on the site
and it would be really good if it was looking shit hot
and easy to follow by then. Unfortunately I don`t have
many web skills and am reallly busy with other stuff
so can`t put in that much time. However, I was in
Belgrade with soemone who`s very together and has web
experience and is up for getting involved permenantly
in the website group. He`s out of the country `till
the beginning of November, but after that is up for
it. I`ll forward him Cattracker`s email address
(actually, I think I already did). Is there any other
contact I should give him?

Ok, thats it for now. Nice one to everyone who`s
working on this. Bye. 

 --- Cat Tracker <cattracker2004 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote: 
> Yes thats fine, it dosent take a lot to reorganise
> the
> menue, but putting up sections that we have no
> content
> for, dosent help.
> At the Brighton Gathering it was decided that the
> web
> group was only responsible for design and
> managment,not content, as this could influance the
> dissent network and is a form of media in its own
> right. also i have heard nothing from any working
> group or local group supplying content or offering
> to
> be a contact with the exeption to yuourself, who
> admirably is wanting to make changes and at least is
> having a go.
> 
> there is also anothet issue that needs to be sorted
> and that is where to put the international callout
> (in
> english and other languages) not to mention
> translation that some one has at least started. but
> is
> in the news section so it will move out of sight as
> other people add news!
> 
> Much of this is to be disscused and sorted out at
> the
> next dissent! gathering as its hoped that the web
> group are going to meet up a couple of days before
> and
> get drunk,no scrub that get work done! are you
> comming? hope so because we need people like you
> giving input.
> but if not ill take a printed copy of the
> suggestions
> with me. 
> One of the problems we do have is that anyone can
> post
> stuff on the web site there are loads of files on
> there that has no link too, because no one has asked
> us for help in the use of the mambo system, I am
> currently sorting out a draft on How to use this
> site.
> and the philosophy of the web group ie we dont do
> content (even though i am working on it, see!) 
> 
> Ps if you need to contact me the number is 07985
> 540605
> or 01332 835426
> 
> All the best hope to get stuff sorted next week on
> the
> web
> Love and rage
> Gary
> 
>  --- tabitha747 at riseup.net wrote: 
> > 
> > We didn't feel the same ( although admittedly we
> > didn't ask around loads
> > but we did ask some others).  If you have been
> > involved in the web site as
> > it has evolved it does all make sense and i'm also
> > quite used to the site
> > now, but coming to it from the outside we think
> its
> > confusing and very
> > busy and the structure isn't necessarily logical
> as
> > it has kind of just
> > evolved over time.  Lots of people won't want or
> be
> > able to spend time
> > searching and exploring the website so as an
> > information resource its
> > essential that it is easily accessible for all. 
> > Please take time to read
> > through and imagine the changes
> > 
> > > Actually I am not quite understanding why to
> > change the webpage, it
> > looks fine to me the way it is and the current
> > proposals seem to me even
> > more confusing than present state.
> > > ciao Ulla
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 06:33:17 -0700 (PDT),
> > <tabitha747 at riseup.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Some of us got together as we found the website
> > to be a bit confusing and
> > >> difficult to navigate.  These are the notes
> from
> > our discussions. Please
> > >> comment.
> > >>
> > >> HOME PAGE:
> > >> This if possible should only have the intro
> > paragraph and a left hand
> > column with the following on it:
> > >> * Menu list (see below)
> > >> * Calendar (as it is on current site except
> with
> > content)
> > >> * Hit counter
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> MAIN MENU:
> > >> How this site works: [closed] This link should
> > take you to a text about
> > how to use the site including list of pages and
> what
> > to post where,
> > login
> > >> box for administrators, and a contact link for
> > the website working group)
> > >> Newsflash [open publishing]
> > >> Gatherings [open?] This page should have
> current
> > invite and agenda (if
> > available), contact for gathering working group,
> > archive of past
> > minutes.
> > >> Local Groups - as it is
> > >> Working Groups-as it is.
> > >> G8 info [open] Tadzio's article, links to
> > interesting sites (e.g. Official
> > >> G8 site, Uni of Toronto, Perthshire etc.)
> > >> Tactics, Targets and Training [open] - Maps,
> > company info, photos,
> > training info, links to events, Legal info and
> links
> > to legal pages,
> > Medical info and links to medical pages, Mental
> > Health info, etc.
> > Publicity Resources [open] PDFs, texts, images,
> > calls to action etc.
> > International Network [open] links to translations
> > >> Discussion Forum (link to enrager.net)
> > >> Media [closed?] This should link to a page with
> a
> > media disclaimer and
> > a link to indymedia.org.uk and links to other
> > "alternative media"
> > [open] page with a list of other useful
> alternative
> > media links.
> > >> Archive [open] everything else...?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Essentially a large part of this is
> re-organising
> > the links page to actual
> > >> content pages so that things can be more easily
> > found.
> > >>
> > >> love T XX
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://www.fempages.org
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > dissent-tech mailing list
> > dissent-tech at lists.aktivix.org
> >
>
http://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/dissent-tech
> >  
> 
> =====
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> 
> 
> 
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