From sheffieldmayday at ukf.net Thu Jan 8 10:25:36 2004 From: sheffieldmayday at ukf.net (Sheffield Mayday) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:25:36 +0000 Subject: [Dissent-tech] web site group Message-ID: <321456232.20040108102536@ukf.net> Space bunny has now set up Mambo CMS (content management system ??) on our server now. www.dissent.org.uk/index.php I have to say I haven't found these that great in my limited experience. They're usually not much easier than learning HTML. However from a brief play in the admin section this morning this one seems pretty cool and easy to use. At the moment it's just got a naff pre set template but these are easy to change and we can create our own or change the existing ones (both the CSS and HTML) or find more premade ones on the web. Its open source software (free and arguably radical in itself in a captialist world) and seems that as a network it would be particularly useful with different people wanting to add content to the site. I've added the call out for the next gathering and a contacts page though none of what is there is public yet. Not sure if we have different logins for the admin interface or share? Space Bunny? BTW nice one for sorting this out SB. cheers steve From lists at j12.org Fri Jan 9 11:40:22 2004 From: lists at j12.org (Space Bunny) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 11:40:22 +0000 Subject: [Dissent-tech] collectivising web site gestation In-Reply-To: <321456232.20040108102536@ukf.net> References: <321456232.20040108102536@ukf.net> Message-ID: <3FFE9326.2040708@j12.org> Sheffield Mayday wrote: >Space bunny has now set up Mambo CMS (content management system ??) on >our server now. > >www.dissent.org.uk/index.php > >I have to say I haven't found these that great in my limited >experience. They're usually not much easier than learning HTML. >However from a brief play in the admin section this morning this one >seems pretty cool and easy to use. > > the main thing is much easier to allow multiple people to add and update stuff, and design can be handled separate to content. >At the moment it's just got a naff pre set template but these are easy >to change and we can create our own or change the existing ones (both >the CSS and HTML) or find more premade ones on the web. > >Its open source software (free and arguably radical in itself in a >captialist world) and seems that as a network it would be particularly >useful with different people wanting to add content to the site. > >I've added the call out for the next gathering and a contacts page >though none of what is there is public yet. > > well it is now linked to from just going to http://www.dissent.org.uk are people cool about me adding link to wiki page even though no one other than me and ab used that wiki page yet. But other might yet. >Not sure if we have different logins for the admin interface or share? > > best to have loging each for every one who wants/needs access. just speak up on this list if you want access to help. Thing is to first register as user (note we can remove that user login box later if we want if no need for external users). Then me or steve can set you to have admin privaleges if appropiate. It may help if you have introduced your self on this list or have been in touch at meetings ( eg EFgather/London/Nottingham). If anyone here want my phone number just ask me and I will email you it offlist. also you might find me on Internet Relay Chat on server: irc.indymedia.org in #uk channel if you use irc. If you want to practise using admin before/if getting access to dissent site then there is a sandbox install at: http://www.opensourcecms.com/mambo/ site gets reset every hour. go to: http://www.opensourcecms.com/mambo/administrator/ login as: admin password: admin perhaps people want to think what sort of stuff should be on website. It is tempting with CMS to add lots of functionality with new modules such as forum or gallery (which can be found at http://www.mamboportal.com/ ) just because one can. But I think should take one stage at a time. Lets get look and feel sorted, logos etc. Lets just get a few bits of text on front page as Steve has, and work out how we want them displayed which has some flexibity. Who wants to do these things, or just have an input. I guess that is why you are on this list. Min thing is someone keen to go logos. Is someone keen to sort out look and feel. Then we can work out way forward. I will help as and when, but am quite busy with other web work. Also I am not that on board with whole dissent network thing at mo. I just saw and oportunity to help with this site and went for it. And I am please steve is happy to move forward this way. Anyway we have time to sort out way forward. cheers, Space Bunny http://j12.org/sb/ From sheffieldmayday at ukf.net Fri Jan 9 19:19:11 2004 From: sheffieldmayday at ukf.net (Sheffield Mayday) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:19:11 +0000 Subject: [Dissent-tech] front page & index.php Message-ID: <16729980830.20040109191911@ukf.net> I'm gonna change the front page so the old site is not accessible from there. One reason for this is that there was some criticism of it on the old (orginal list), For instance: >Somewhat negatively, and I hesitate to say this, as I know Mark has put >time into this (and its the overall impression of the site and its context >that counts, not what Mark has specifically written), but I reckon we >should pull (take down) the website until the November meeting, when we can >get a more collective idea of where we're heading, get a URL without >'baggage', a decision making structure for the website etc., etc. > >Sorry about this, but I do think that 'setting the tone' of things, and >attention to details, are really essential. And we have time on our side >not to rush things (for once!). A second reason is that it all seems a bit messy as it is. However I think it has some useful texts on it that could be used (at least in the short term) for the new site. To make sure everyone is agreed that these texts are OK I will ask the main list to check everyone's OK with them or if there are any changes to be made. While they're on the old site it's pretty clear which ones we're talking about. Then we can bung 'em up on the new one and the whole thing will look a bit more tidy and together. The old site is at: http://previous.dissent.org.uk/ I don't know anything about php but if we simply remove the current index.htm (html?) page will index.php then show up automatically??? cheers steve From lists at j12.org Sat Jan 10 15:15:11 2004 From: lists at j12.org (Space Bunny) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:15:11 +0000 Subject: [Dissent-tech] front page & index.php In-Reply-To: <16729980830.20040109191911@ukf.net> References: <16729980830.20040109191911@ukf.net> Message-ID: <400016FF.7070604@j12.org> Sheffield Mayday wrote: >I'm gonna change the front page so the old site is not accessible from >there. One reason for this is that there was some criticism of it on >the old (original list), > > I just put that link in case mark who did pages wanted to update them as I did not want to seem to imposing the cms on him. But he has not, so I think ok to delink from that site. >The old site is at: > > http://previous.dissent.org.uk/ > > yes many people wanted this site pulled but I though that was up to person who created pages, no me as person who controls the domains. >I don't know anything about php but if we simply remove the current >index.htm (html?) page will index.php then show up automatically??? > > yes, if httpd web server can not find the file index.htm it will use index.php in fact it looks first for index.html but that order of looking is a configuration setting with server, index.html, index.htm, index.php often default order you might find default.htm in there as well. btw if you use a server where index.php is not in this path then one just put a refresh to index.php in index.htm Also are people cool about me adding link to the g8 wiki page on ourmayday.org in links section. http://ourmayday.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?G8-Britain even though no one working on it at moment, it could come in usefull for working on colective texts. How do we decide links? We should let people on main list know they can give feedback anytime about what is on site which will be taken on board but should every thing be passed bny them. Also I was thinking of removing the link to Mamboserver ( the link in footer and links page is enough I think ) and Adminstrator page from left col menu box. But I when I looked in admin I notice that that menu section was 'check out' by Sheffield Mayday user, so no other use can change it. I guess this means Steve you went into change it but forgot to press save or cancel and just closed browser window. You can go in and do either to check it back in so other admin users can work on it. The checking in / checking out file locking is usefull to stop people writing over each others changes but has this disadvantage with browser being single state so people can leave something locked. But admins should be in touch anyway so if this come up can just let know on list, irc or phone. I myself am seeing this web solution working in a real multi admin way first time. In fact I think it would be good if those who get admin access should exchange phone numbers with each other. Also I was thinking of activating template changer module for users. There are 4 defualt tempalte to give people idea of possible designs. And more choice if one is going to just modify an existing template/css. I just choose that one as logo fited most comapare with others. They put tempates in with pretty non generic logos to encourage people to change them I think. But if url is beeing advertises widely now perhaps not good idea without replacing logos in these templates. btw as you may have noticed there are some people (2 I think) who have launched a Dissent group in Edinburgh where I live. I don't know them myself. I don't really want to get much more involved other than helping with web hosting and getting people started with the CMS and maybe doing look and feel templates unless someone else does them. And giving support after. I had allowed my membership of main list to lapse with list change ( but now returned to observe any feedback on website ) I have a other projects in my local area I wish to support. But I am sure I will meet them sometime. cheers, Space Bunny http://j12.org/sb/ From sheffieldmayday at ukf.net Sun Jan 11 23:58:33 2004 From: sheffieldmayday at ukf.net (Sheffield Mayday) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 23:58:33 +0000 Subject: [Dissent-tech] front page & index.php In-Reply-To: <400016FF.7070604@j12.org> References: <16729980830.20040109191911@ukf.net> <400016FF.7070604@j12.org> Message-ID: <781683851.20040111235833@ukf.net> SB> But I when I looked in admin I notice that that menu section was 'check SB> out' by Sheffield Mayday user, so no other use can change it. I guess SB> this means Steve you went into change it but forgot to press save or SB> cancel and just closed browser window. You can go in and do either to SB> check it back in so other admin users can work on it. Bugger, sorry 'bout that. I'll try to sort it. From lists at j12.org Wed Jan 21 14:42:51 2004 From: lists at j12.org (Space Bunny) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:42:51 +0000 Subject: [Dissent-tech] web site group / web site development In-Reply-To: <321456232.20040108102536@ukf.net> References: <321456232.20040108102536@ukf.net> Message-ID: <400E8FEB.608@j12.org> Ok, I hope to next week put together a very plain vanilla template/css for the website using pure css layout rather than tables, if no one objects. With quite a bold easy read look. We can latter build on this, and have choice of several templates. The present hacked one needs to go rather than be hacked further. I find it too as odds with my desire for elegance for a logo to be defined as a title background in the template. btw if you want to know more about Mambo templates: http://www.mamboportal.com/index.php?option=content&task=category§ionid=2&id=34&Itemid=28 http://j12.org/sb/mamhooks.htm also see: http://forum.mamboserver.com For more on pure css vs table layout: http://www.hotdesign.com/seybold/ http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ I think all the people who are quite engaged with dissent should be encouraged to have a login to the site with ability to add content. This is on of advantages of using cms. That site do not bottleneck through one person. I hope every one here gets a login. I will post to main list next week to push people getting logins if people cool about it here. The admin interface can be a bit overwhelming when one first goes in as so many options but it much less so for those set up to just add and alter content and not change functionality or look and feel. Btw I 'unpublished' polls module as I don't think we will set them up. I think they are a distracting gimmick to getting a site with info people come to find. I might do same with newsflash component, as at this stage not needed. These can be republished at will but also there are many other components and modules that can be added such as fully featured gallery (note: there is a limited admin access only media gallery to have photos and images attached to articles already). But lets stick to getting it basic info on site sorted out. And our own look and feel. I myself am not wanting to devote much of my own headspace and time to dissent organising, but saw it would be good to come in and help with getting the platform for this website. cheers, Space Bunny http://j12.org/sb/ From sheffieldmayday at ukf.net Wed Jan 21 20:04:19 2004 From: sheffieldmayday at ukf.net (Sheffield Mayday) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:04:19 +0000 Subject: [Dissent-tech] web site group / web site development In-Reply-To: <400E8FEB.608@j12.org> References: <321456232.20040108102536@ukf.net> <400E8FEB.608@j12.org> Message-ID: <5020541166.20040121200419@ukf.net> SB> Ok, I hope to next week put together a very plain vanilla template/css SB> for the website using pure css layout rather than tables, if no one SB> objects. With quite a bold easy read look. Cool. Not sure about pure CSS. Very handy but, in my limited experience, there's quite a bit of messing around to be done to get it right for different browsers/platforms etc. However if you're happy to do that then no problem. SB> I think all the people who are quite engaged with dissent should be SB> encouraged to have a login to the site with ability to add content. This SB> is on of advantages of using cms. That site do not bottleneck through SB> one person. I hope every one here gets a login. I will post to main list SB> next week to push people getting logins if people cool about it here. Not sure about this. Anyone could be on that list now so I think it would be better to invite the working groups rather than just anyone on the main list. This could also be raised at the gathering. SB> Btw I 'unpublished' polls module as I don't think we will set them up. I SB> think they are a distracting gimmick to getting a site with info people SB> come to find. I might do same with newsflash component, as at this stage SB> not needed. These can be republished at will but also there are many SB> other components and modules that can be added such as fully featured SB> gallery (note: there is a limited admin access only media gallery to SB> have photos and images attached to articles already). But lets stick to SB> getting it basic info on site sorted out. And our own look and feel. cool steve From sheffieldmayday at ukf.net Thu Jan 22 01:52:59 2004 From: sheffieldmayday at ukf.net (Sheffield Mayday) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:52:59 +0000 Subject: [Dissent-tech] web site group / web site development In-Reply-To: <400E8FEB.608@j12.org> References: <321456232.20040108102536@ukf.net> <400E8FEB.608@j12.org> Message-ID: <1118274878.20040122015259@ukf.net> SB> The present hacked one needs to go rather than be hacked further. I find SB> it too as odds with my desire for elegance for a logo to be defined as a SB> title background in the template. I think using images as headlines for part of the background is pretty interesting and useful for css. It means simply changing the CSS file one can completely change the look of the site. Zen Garden CSS has some pretty good examples. http://www.csszengarden.com/ I guess with Mambo it's not so important as you have complete templates anyway but I certainly don't see using background images for titles etc as a problem. cheers steve From another_paul_b at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jan 23 16:20:51 2004 From: another_paul_b at yahoo.co.uk (Paul Boizot) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:20:51 +0000 Subject: [dissent-tech] G8 summit date Message-ID: <200401231620510290.01AC0DA6@smtp.wisesurfer.net> Hi, got your web address from another e-mail list, visited you to see what you were about and when in 2005 the G8 summit was coming to Britain. (To be said in stoned hippy voice) Hey, man, what date is it going to be.....seems like something that would be useful to add to the site! another_paul_b From sheffieldmayday at ukf.net Tue Jan 27 03:42:52 2004 From: sheffieldmayday at ukf.net (Sheffield Mayday) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 03:42:52 +0000 Subject: [dissent-tech] G8 summit date In-Reply-To: <200401231620510290.01AC0DA6@smtp.wisesurfer.net> References: <200401231620510290.01AC0DA6@smtp.wisesurfer.net> Message-ID: <12617757674.20040127034252@ukf.net> Hi Paul, I'm afraid we don't know the date or location of the G8 yet. That will be announced at the next G8 in the US this summer. Probably can't tell you much that you don't know already. If you'd like to get involved with the web group feel free to join (if you haven't already). Traffic is fairly low. For general organising there is the main dissent list which is free for anyone to join also. resistg82005-subscribe at lists.riseup.net In Sheffield there may be a Dissent group set up after the Martin Shaw talk and video on 3rd Feb. see: http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/sheffield/2004/01/284289.html If you want to know anything else just ask. Steve PB> Hi, PB> got your web address from another e-mail list, visited you to see what PB> you were about and when in 2005 the G8 summit was coming to Britain. (To be PB> said in stoned hippy voice) Hey, man, what date is it going to be.....seems PB> like something that would be useful to add to the site! PB> another_paul_b From phoenixhg at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jan 28 11:42:54 2004 From: phoenixhg at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Eb=20Scrooge?=) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:42:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [dissent-tech] G8 summit date In-Reply-To: <12617757674.20040127034252@ukf.net> Message-ID: <20040128114254.46403.qmail@web25008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> please unsubscribe me from this list cheers Sheffield Mayday wrote:Hi Paul, I'm afraid we don't know the date or location of the G8 yet. That will be announced at the next G8 in the US this summer. Probably can't tell you much that you don't know already. If you'd like to get involved with the web group feel free to join (if you haven't already). Traffic is fairly low. For general organising there is the main dissent list which is free for anyone to join also. resistg82005-subscribe at lists.riseup.net In Sheffield there may be a Dissent group set up after the Martin Shaw talk and video on 3rd Feb. see: http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/sheffield/2004/01/284289.html If you want to know anything else just ask. Steve PB> Hi, PB> got your web address from another e-mail list, visited you to see what PB> you were about and when in 2005 the G8 summit was coming to Britain. (To be PB> said in stoned hippy voice) Hey, man, what date is it going to be.....seems PB> like something that would be useful to add to the site! PB> another_paul_b _______________________________________________ http://www.dissent.org.uk/ dissent-tech mailing list dissent-tech at email-lists.org http://www.email-lists.org/mailman/listinfo/dissent-tech --------------------------------- BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save ?80