[FlyingBrickAnnouncements] Flyingbrickvolunteers Digest, Vol 347, Issue 2

Sun Jun 17 01:09:38 UTC 2012

Thanks Nathan for sharing the conversation with us. That is supremely
fucked. There are so many things I want to say about that. Just....wow.

Megan
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*"When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands
explained." -Mark Twain
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>   1. Re: Deep Green Resistance (Ramey Connelly)
>   2. Re: Deep Green Resistance (Nathan Stickel)
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> From: Ramey Connelly <rameysaurus at gmail.com>
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> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 11:21:59 -0400
> Subject: Re: [FlyingBrickAnnouncements] Deep Green Resistance
> Nathan sent out all of the correspondence with DGR to the listserve as the
> convo was happening, but maybe he can resend it?
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> Ramey
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> On Jun 15, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Brianna Gribben <gribbenbc at mymail.vcu.edu>
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> From: Nathan Stickel <incoherentnickle at gmail.com>
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> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:12:59 -0400
> Subject: Re: [FlyingBrickAnnouncements] Deep Green Resistance
> welp, here is the entire correspondence. Its a little long. And contains
> some transphobia on the part of DGR. Nothing too explicit though. If you're
> curious about specifically their stances on trans folks, specifically
> transwomen, google "Lierre Keith's transphobia".
>
> This starts with the last thing I sent to them, so to start from the
> beginning, start at the bottom:
>
> thanks for the response, although we all whole-heartedly disagree. we're
> well aware of the issues, so the condescending tone is really not needed.
> if you want to exclude transpeople from your "radical feminist" analysis,
> that is your choice. and its our choice to decide what we bring into our
> space, and decide if us or our friends are going to hurt by it.> Dear Nathan,>> Patriarchy is killing the planet. The masculine imperatives that are the> inherent symptom of patriarchy must be resisted, and the material> structures of power that embody these symptoms must be dismantled. Not> debated, not viewed through many different lenses so we're /sure/ we're> seeing them correctly, but systematically and ruthlessly torn apart.> Yes, a radical feminist analysis factors heavily in what this resistance> looks like, but we are talking about the murder of the planet. We are> doing this tour specifically and in no uncertain terms for this reason-> to organize a serious resistance against the structures of power that> wield the proverbial, and often literal, chainsaw. To make this clear:> /the planet is being murdered/.>> I think it's probably best we just pass on all of this: a lot of places> are enthusiastic about us coming, and honestly it sounds like you're> more interested in setting the terms of the discussion than addressing> the very real and painfully present threat to all life. I wish you all> best.>> -Xander>> On 5/13/12 7:14 PM, The Flying Brick Library wrote:>> Hey Xander,>>>> We have spent a lot of time talking with our volunteers, supporters, and>> collective members. We finally have an answer for you, sorry for the>> wait.>>>> We would like to have you, because many of us are very interested in>> environmental/anti-civ issues. But we also have friends and members who>> are trans or genderqueer, so we are ONLY interested in having this>> conversation be about the concepts of "womens only spaces" and the way>> that radical feminism reinforces oppression, along with trans issues and>> how these things relate to and play out within anti-civ and>> environmental>> work.>>>> We think that if y'all are willing to have this discussion, we are>> willing>> to have you, but if this doesn't work for you, I don't think its>> appropriate that we have y'all here. We are trying to build a very>> strong>> movement here in Richmond, and there is a VERY large queer and trans>> community here that we need to be respectful of.>>>> We also understand you have contacted the Wingnut, about potentially>> bringing your talk to their space. We just wanted to warn you that they>> are leaning in the same direction we are, and while the final parameters>> are up to them, we think they will be telling you something similar,>> since>> some of their supporters and members are trans and genderqueer as well.>>>> Let us know what you think.>>>> - Nathan>>> Dear Nathan,>>>>>> Thanks for getting back to me. I hope your May Day celebrations are>>> fruitful and productive!>>>>>> As for comments and positions of Lierre and Derrick, I can understand>>> some misunderstanding with what has been flying around on the internet.>>> With regard to Lierre, the first point that must be understood is that>>> none of her initial comments about trans individuals were a public>>> stance. A private email conversation was made public without her>>> consent>>> and it's been a shit storm ever since.>>>>>> This notwithstanding, the position is not in relation to trans>>> identified individuals as much as it is a radical feminist analysis of>>> gender. This radical analysis of gender is intimately tied to the>>> radical analysis of class, race, and environmental degradation.>>> Oppressed groups have the right to determine their own spaces and>>> establish the boundaries of those spaces. When an individual's>>> presence,>>> regardless of their identity as it is defined within progressive>>> circles, makes a member of that group (in this case women) feel as>>> though their boundaries are not being respected, that individual is not>>> granted access to that space. So when a male-bodied individual demands>>> access to a space that is for women, and defined by women, and even one>>> of those women say they aren't comfortable with a male-bodied>>> individual>>> in that space, we stand by those women in the maintenance of the>>> boundaries they have set.>>>>>> Of course we agree that atrocities are committed against trans>>> individuals, just as atrocities are committed against every group>>> classified as "other" in a patriarchy. It's the nature of patriarchy.>>> Those atrocities are unacceptable, horrifying, morally reprehensible,>>> and must be resisted in all of our activist spaces and through our>>> work.>>> But that doesn't mean that any group has the right to ignore the>>> boundaries of another group. This is the analysis DGR stands by, a>>> condemnation of the structures of power and the way they perpetuate a>>> perceived entitlement by one group to break the boundaries set by>>> another. It is not a reflection of any one individual's perspective,>>> but>>> is tied to the overall radical analysis we bring to the table.>>>>>> As for Derrick's comments, I'm not sure what you are referring to with>>> regard to classist and racist implications of his take on population.>>> Again, the position of DGR is not a reflection of any individual, but>>> is>>> tied to our overall analysis. Clearly, we've overshot population,>>> clearly we cannot continue to expand exponentially as a species without>>> exacting a fatal toll on the planet. And of course, historically it is>>> oppressed groups that feel the brunt of any attempt to control>>> population. This is why we have a code of conduct, and this is why we>>> are working to build a culture of resistance that can withstand the>>> mandates of the dominant culture. As things start to collapse and we>>> start to see increasing repression and the rise of fascism, it becomes>>> the responsibility of privileged individuals to stand with oppressed>>> groups and resist any racist agenda. Population reduction is going to>>> happen, it's the nature of every species that overshoots its carrying>>> capacity. It's our task as individuals and groups that care about life,>>> all life, to stand together and ensure that it proceeds equitably and>>> that no one group or collection of groups is targeted as "the problem".>>>>>> It is the question of how that will happen that is the kicker here.>>> Population is a tertiary problem at best, behind industrial consumption>>> and the social conditions that produces. If we dismantle the industrial>>> economy, pick capitalism apart piece by piece and cultivate a social>>> mentality that views life and the landbase as primary, population will>>> balance along with social relations.>>>>>>>>> Sorry to carry on, I just want to be clear about where we stand. I>>> think>>> we have a lot in common, and can learn a lot from one another. Hope>>> this>>> helps.>>>>>> - Xander>>>>>> On 5/1/12 9:44 AM, The Flying Brick Library wrote:>>>> Hey, yeah sorry, we've all been really pre-occupied with May Day>>>> activities here. We've talked a lot though, and basically our issue is>>>> some of the statements that Derrick Jensen and Lierre Keith have made.>>>> Specifically around trans people for Keith, and around the subtly>>>> classist>>>> and racist implications of Jensen's comments about population control>>>> and>>>> other things....We don't feel very comfortable hosting a group that is>>>> associated with those types of comments, but we also would like to>>>> have>>>> dialogue around it. Can you comment on any of that?>>>>>>>> - Nathan>>>>> Hi Nathan,>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry for being so persistent about this... We're just trying to>>>>> finalize our schedule as soon as we can. I don't want to rush you>>>>> all,>>>>> just wanted to check in and see if you've had any more discussion>>>>> about>>>>> having us at the library. If there is anything I can help clarify,>>>>> please let me know.>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,>>>>>>>>>> -Xander>>>>>>>>>> On 4/24/12 3:14 PM, The Flying Brick Library wrote:>>>>>> Hey Xander, there was a little discussion about Deep Green>>>>>> Resistance>>>>>> as>>>>>> a>>>>>> whole. I wondered what would be the best way to find out more about>>>>>> y'all>>>>>> before we confirmed things? Most of us aren't totally familiar with>>>>>> your>>>>>> work, and we wanted to be sure it was something that would fit well>>>>>> with>>>>>> the library...>>>>>>> Hey Nathan,>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just wanted to follow up with you and see if you'd had a chance>>>>>>> to>>>>>>> talk with the rest of the folks at the library about giving us a>>>>>>> place>>>>>>> to speak sometime from June 26th-29th (Sorry, just realized that in>>>>>>> my>>>>>>> last email I hit 1 instead of a 2 for that second date).>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope all is well!>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Xander Knox>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/19/12 10:33 AM, theflyingbrick at riseup.net <https://fulvetta.riseup.net/sm/src/compose.php?send_to=theflyingbrick%40riseup.net> wrote:>>>>>>>> Hey, this sounds great! Let me get back to you within a couple>>>>>>>> days?>>>>>>>> I'll>>>>>>>> run it by the rest of the library folks.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Nathan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am with a group called Deep Green Resistance, and we are>>>>>>>>> looking>>>>>>>>> for>>>>>>>>> places to stop and speak during a tour we're planning for late>>>>>>>>> June.>>>>>>>>> The>>>>>>>>> dates we are looking at are between Tuesday the 26th and Friday>>>>>>>>> the>>>>>>>>> 19th, and were wondering if a) you hosted speakers and b) if you>>>>>>>>> had>>>>>>>>> room available on those dates. This tour is focusing on the need>>>>>>>>> for>>>>>>>>> coordinated, organized political resistance, what that kind of a>>>>>>>>> movement would look like, and how we can escalate our activism>>>>>>>>> with>>>>>>>>> that>>>>>>>>> kind of movement in mind.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope you all have room!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Xander Knox>>>>>>>>> Deep Green Resistance>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --> /“Protest is when I say I don’t like this and that. Resistance is when I> see to it that things that I don’t like no longer occur"/ -Ulrike Meinhof>
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> On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Ramey Connelly <rameysaurus at gmail.com>wrote:
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>> Nathan sent out all of the correspondence with DGR to the listserve as
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>>
>> Ramey
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 15, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Brianna Gribben <gribbenbc at mymail.vcu.edu>
>> wrote:
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