welp, here is the entire correspondence. Its a little long. And contains some transphobia on the part of DGR. Nothing too explicit though. If you're curious about specifically their stances on trans folks, specifically transwomen, google "Lierre Keith's transphobia". <br>
<br>This starts with the last thing I sent to them, so to start from the beginning, start at the bottom:<br><br><pre>thanks for the response, although we all whole-heartedly disagree. we're
well aware of the issues, so the condescending tone is really not needed.
if you want to exclude transpeople from your "radical feminist" analysis,
that is your choice. and its our choice to decide what we bring into our
space, and decide if us or our friends are going to hurt by it.
<font color="#800000">> Dear Nathan,</font>
<font color="#800000">></font>
<font color="#800000">> Patriarchy is killing the planet. The masculine imperatives that are the</font>
<font color="#800000">> inherent symptom of patriarchy must be resisted, and the material</font>
<font color="#800000">> structures of power that embody these symptoms must be dismantled. Not</font>
<font color="#800000">> debated, not viewed through many different lenses so we're /sure/ we're</font>
<font color="#800000">> seeing them correctly, but systematically and ruthlessly torn apart.</font>
<font color="#800000">> Yes, a radical feminist analysis factors heavily in what this resistance</font>
<font color="#800000">> looks like, but we are talking about the murder of the planet. We are</font>
<font color="#800000">> doing this tour specifically and in no uncertain terms for this reason-</font>
<font color="#800000">> to organize a serious resistance against the structures of power that</font>
<font color="#800000">> wield the proverbial, and often literal, chainsaw. To make this clear:</font>
<font color="#800000">> /the planet is being murdered/.</font>
<font color="#800000">></font>
<font color="#800000">> I think it's probably best we just pass on all of this: a lot of places</font>
<font color="#800000">> are enthusiastic about us coming, and honestly it sounds like you're</font>
<font color="#800000">> more interested in setting the terms of the discussion than addressing</font>
<font color="#800000">> the very real and painfully present threat to all life. I wish you all</font>
<font color="#800000">> best.</font>
<font color="#800000">></font>
<font color="#800000">> -Xander</font>
<font color="#800000">></font>
<font color="#800000">> On 5/13/12 7:14 PM, The Flying Brick Library wrote:</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>> Hey Xander,</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>></font>
<font color="#ff0000">>> We have spent a lot of time talking with our volunteers, supporters, and</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>> collective members. We finally have an answer for you, sorry for the</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>> wait.</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>></font>
<font color="#ff0000">>> We would like to have you, because many of us are very interested in</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>> environmental/anti-civ issues. But we also have friends and members who</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>> are trans or genderqueer, so we are ONLY interested in having this</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>> conversation be about the concepts of "womens only spaces" and the way</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>> that radical feminism reinforces oppression, along with trans issues and</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>> how these things relate to and play out within anti-civ and</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>> environmental</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>> work.</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>></font>
<font color="#ff0000">>> We think that if y'all are willing to have this discussion, we are</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>> willing</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>> to have you, but if this doesn't work for you, I don't think its</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>> appropriate that we have y'all here. We are trying to build a very</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>> strong</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>> movement here in Richmond, and there is a VERY large queer and trans</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>> community here that we need to be respectful of.</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>></font>
<font color="#ff0000">>> We also understand you have contacted the Wingnut, about potentially</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>> bringing your talk to their space. We just wanted to warn you that they</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>> are leaning in the same direction we are, and while the final parameters</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>> are up to them, we think they will be telling you something similar,</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>> since</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>> some of their supporters and members are trans and genderqueer as well.</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>></font>
<font color="#ff0000">>> Let us know what you think.</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>></font>
<font color="#ff0000">>> - Nathan</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> Dear Nathan,</font>
<font color="#800000">>>></font>
<font color="#800000">>>> Thanks for getting back to me. I hope your May Day celebrations are</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> fruitful and productive!</font>
<font color="#800000">>>></font>
<font color="#800000">>>> As for comments and positions of Lierre and Derrick, I can understand</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> some misunderstanding with what has been flying around on the internet.</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> With regard to Lierre, the first point that must be understood is that</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> none of her initial comments about trans individuals were a public</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> stance. A private email conversation was made public without her</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> consent</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> and it's been a shit storm ever since.</font>
<font color="#800000">>>></font>
<font color="#800000">>>> This notwithstanding, the position is not in relation to trans</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> identified individuals as much as it is a radical feminist analysis of</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> gender. This radical analysis of gender is intimately tied to the</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> radical analysis of class, race, and environmental degradation.</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> Oppressed groups have the right to determine their own spaces and</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> establish the boundaries of those spaces. When an individual's</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> presence,</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> regardless of their identity as it is defined within progressive</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> circles, makes a member of that group (in this case women) feel as</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> though their boundaries are not being respected, that individual is not</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> granted access to that space. So when a male-bodied individual demands</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> access to a space that is for women, and defined by women, and even one</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> of those women say they aren't comfortable with a male-bodied</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> individual</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> in that space, we stand by those women in the maintenance of the</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> boundaries they have set.</font>
<font color="#800000">>>></font>
<font color="#800000">>>> Of course we agree that atrocities are committed against trans</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> individuals, just as atrocities are committed against every group</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> classified as "other" in a patriarchy. It's the nature of patriarchy.</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> Those atrocities are unacceptable, horrifying, morally reprehensible,</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> and must be resisted in all of our activist spaces and through our</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> work.</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> But that doesn't mean that any group has the right to ignore the</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> boundaries of another group. This is the analysis DGR stands by, a</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> condemnation of the structures of power and the way they perpetuate a</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> perceived entitlement by one group to break the boundaries set by</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> another. It is not a reflection of any one individual's perspective,</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> but</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> is tied to the overall radical analysis we bring to the table.</font>
<font color="#800000">>>></font>
<font color="#800000">>>> As for Derrick's comments, I'm not sure what you are referring to with</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> regard to classist and racist implications of his take on population.</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> Again, the position of DGR is not a reflection of any individual, but</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> is</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> tied to our overall analysis. Clearly, we've overshot population,</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> clearly we cannot continue to expand exponentially as a species without</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> exacting a fatal toll on the planet. And of course, historically it is</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> oppressed groups that feel the brunt of any attempt to control</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> population. This is why we have a code of conduct, and this is why we</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> are working to build a culture of resistance that can withstand the</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> mandates of the dominant culture. As things start to collapse and we</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> start to see increasing repression and the rise of fascism, it becomes</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> the responsibility of privileged individuals to stand with oppressed</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> groups and resist any racist agenda. Population reduction is going to</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> happen, it's the nature of every species that overshoots its carrying</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> capacity. It's our task as individuals and groups that care about life,</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> all life, to stand together and ensure that it proceeds equitably and</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> that no one group or collection of groups is targeted as "the problem".</font>
<font color="#800000">>>></font>
<font color="#800000">>>> It is the question of how that will happen that is the kicker here.</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> Population is a tertiary problem at best, behind industrial consumption</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> and the social conditions that produces. If we dismantle the industrial</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> economy, pick capitalism apart piece by piece and cultivate a social</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> mentality that views life and the landbase as primary, population will</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> balance along with social relations.</font>
<font color="#800000">>>></font>
<font color="#800000">>>></font>
<font color="#800000">>>> Sorry to carry on, I just want to be clear about where we stand. I</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> think</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> we have a lot in common, and can learn a lot from one another. Hope</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> this</font>
<font color="#800000">>>> helps.</font>
<font color="#800000">>>></font>
<font color="#800000">>>> - Xander</font>
<font color="#800000">>>></font>
<font color="#800000">>>> On 5/1/12 9:44 AM, The Flying Brick Library wrote:</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>> Hey, yeah sorry, we've all been really pre-occupied with May Day</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>> activities here. We've talked a lot though, and basically our issue is</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>> some of the statements that Derrick Jensen and Lierre Keith have made.</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>> Specifically around trans people for Keith, and around the subtly</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>> classist</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>> and racist implications of Jensen's comments about population control</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>> and</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>> other things....We don't feel very comfortable hosting a group that is</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>> associated with those types of comments, but we also would like to</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>> have</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>> dialogue around it. Can you comment on any of that?</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>></font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>> - Nathan</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>> Hi Nathan,</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>></font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>> I'm sorry for being so persistent about this... We're just trying to</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>> finalize our schedule as soon as we can. I don't want to rush you</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>> all,</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>> just wanted to check in and see if you've had any more discussion</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>> about</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>> having us at the library. If there is anything I can help clarify,</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>> please let me know.</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>></font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>> Thank you,</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>></font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>> -Xander</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>></font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>> On 4/24/12 3:14 PM, The Flying Brick Library wrote:</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>>>> Hey Xander, there was a little discussion about Deep Green</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>>>> Resistance</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>>>> as</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>>>> a</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>>>> whole. I wondered what would be the best way to find out more about</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>>>> y'all</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>>>> before we confirmed things? Most of us aren't totally familiar with</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>>>> your</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>>>> work, and we wanted to be sure it was something that would fit well</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>>>> with</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>>>> the library...</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>> Hey Nathan,</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>></font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>> I just wanted to follow up with you and see if you'd had a chance</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>> to</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>> talk with the rest of the folks at the library about giving us a</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>> place</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>> to speak sometime from June 26th-29th (Sorry, just realized that in</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>> my</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>> last email I hit 1 instead of a 2 for that second date).</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>></font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>> Hope all is well!</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>></font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>> -Xander Knox</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>></font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>></font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>> On 4/19/12 10:33 AM, <a href="https://fulvetta.riseup.net/sm/src/compose.php?send_to=theflyingbrick%40riseup.net">theflyingbrick@riseup.net</a> wrote:</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>>>>>> Hey, this sounds great! Let me get back to you within a couple</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>>>>>> days?</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>>>>>> I'll</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>>>>>> run it by the rest of the library folks.</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>>>>>></font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>>>>>> - Nathan</font>
<font color="#ff0000">>>>>>>>></font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>>>> Hi!</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>>>></font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>>>> I am with a group called Deep Green Resistance, and we are</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>>>> looking</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>>>> for</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>>>> places to stop and speak during a tour we're planning for late</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>>>> June.</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>>>> The</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>>>> dates we are looking at are between Tuesday the 26th and Friday</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>>>> the</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>>>> 19th, and were wondering if a) you hosted speakers and b) if you</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>>>> had</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>>>> room available on those dates. This tour is focusing on the need</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>>>> for</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>>>> coordinated, organized political resistance, what that kind of a</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>>>> movement would look like, and how we can escalate our activism</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>>>> with</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>>>> that</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>>>> kind of movement in mind.</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>>>></font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>>>> I hope you all have room!</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>>>></font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>>>> Thank you,</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>>>></font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>>>> -Xander Knox</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>>>> Deep Green Resistance</font>
<font color="#800000">>>>>>>>>></font>
<font color="#800000">>>></font>
<font color="#ff0000">>></font>
<font color="#800000">></font>
<font color="#800000">></font>
<font color="#800000">> --</font>
<font color="#800000">> /“Protest is when I say I don’t like this and that. Resistance is when I</font>
<font color="#800000">> see to it that things that I don’t like no longer occur"/ -Ulrike Meinhof</font>
<font color="#800000">></font>
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<a href="http://myspace.com/theflyingbricklibrary" target="_blank">http://myspace.com/theflyingbricklibrary</a></pre><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Ramey Connelly <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rameysaurus@gmail.com" target="_blank">rameysaurus@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Nathan sent out all of the correspondence with DGR to the listserve as the convo was happening, but maybe he can resend it?<br>
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Ramey<br>
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On Jun 15, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Brianna Gribben <<a href="mailto:gribbenbc@mymail.vcu.edu">gribbenbc@mymail.vcu.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
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