[g8-sheffield] Re: the right of unlawful protest

Tue Jun 28 22:23:38 BST 2005

Seemingly so.

Are you going to keep crying about the people who protested "legitimately"
or are you going to shout about the police who forced that artificial idea
upon us all?

----- Original Message -----
From: "adriana" <hjdsmdr at mixmail.com>
To: "Tim van Tinteren" <tim at phallicide.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: the right of unlawful protest

>
> So either you are filmed, or you are arrested ?
> Are these the only options made available?
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> Tim van Tinteren wrote:
>
> > That's an interesting viewpoint, but the other side of it is that the
> > corporate media (the only media our sleeping countrymen are exposed to)
> > chooses only to report "unofficial" protests by briefly detailing the
> > arrests and making a point of over-emphasising any "violence" that goes
on,
> > whereas "official protests" get filmed. Also, the "official" protests
were
> > the only ones "allowed" close to the ministers themselves. If no-one had
> > turned up, these scum would've been able to believe that Sheffield
pretty
> > much welcomed them here.
> >
> > I completely agree with you about the right to protest and the nonsense
> > notion of "official" and "unofficial", "legitimate" etc, but shouldn't
the
> > anger be directed at the police state and corporate media responsible
for
> > this state of affairs, rather than people who showed up to try and show
the
> > G8 they weren't welcome?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "adriana" <hjdsmdr at mixmail.com>
> > To: "Tim van Tinteren" <tim at phallicide.co.uk>
> > Cc: <g8-sheffield at lists.aktivix.org>
> > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 2:38 AM
> > Subject: Re: the right of unlawful protest
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>>Tim van Tinteren wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>How exactly have I performed a betrayal?
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >>Not consciously because of your wickedness, of course not.
> >>This deserves further discussion, a mere email note can't include a
> >>wealth of reasons, born from observations carried out during my research
> >>work into activist groups these last months.
> >>Since i also value my own ideas, this will be set up as a Journal, some
> >>excerpts to appear on the SSF wiki.
> >>But briefly here i will point at:
> >>
> >>nothing personal. mine is a totally impersonal view. but the last time i
> >>said this in an email got such a furious reply that i don't dare now
> >>open my mouth in public.
> >>
> >>Or shall I?
> >>
> >>>>>http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/sheffield/2005/06/314275.html
> >>>>>
> >>
> >>If you go on reading these news from BBC (compiled by indymedia
> >>various), most depict a group of protesters using words such as
> >>peaceful, lawful, legitimate, associated to the right to protest.
> >>I maintain that the right to protest, the right to work, the right to
> >>freedom of speech, etc. etc. are absolute rights therefore they cannot
> >>be diminished in their meaning (semantic approach, because the media
> >>work at undermining some meanings and replacing them with nonsense).
> >>Then, that such an amount of energy, vitality, creativity, (as much
> >>better described by Benjamin's message) is eclipsed, channeled down, as
> >>contrary to the good protesters. My contention is that the good
> >>protesters (according to bbc etc) were really mean to everyone else:
> >>firstly to themselves and the right to protest: if a right is limited to
> >>100 persons that is crap and you shouldn't have accepted those terms.
> >>Due to your acceptance of a "lawful" protest as dictated by others,
> >>arrests were made on the other side: law and order needed to be
> >>displayed, and there was only one side left: (see videos of arrests on
> >>indymedia).
> >>Not only the arrests: You are criminalizing whoever is not incorporated
> >>into your party. Therefore, you are betraying the persons who perform
> >>impromptu actions, to begin with.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "@@" <hjdsmdr at mixmail.com> To:
> >>>"G8-Sheffield at Lists. Aktivix. Org" <g8-sheffield at lists.aktivix.org>
> >>>Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 12:40 AM Subject: [g8-sheffield] the
> >>>right of unlawful protest
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/sheffield/2005/06/314275.html
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>"The right to lawful protest:" This is more than outrageous, it is
> >>>>a semantic trap: by qualifying a right, it becomes limited and
> >>>>diminished from its original full meaning... Now we have "lawful"
> >>>>and "unlawful" protest (and good, public orderly protesters -the
> >>>>ones who agree to be penned in in without the others-- and bad
> >>>>protesters). The right to unlawful protest was exercised in
> >>>>Sheffield this week therefore by everybody else; in addition, 10
> >>>>drunkards were arrested and charged with minor fines (...)
> >>>>
> >>>>Remember "legal and illegal" immigration or the "stop uncontrolled
> >>>> immigration" from election campaign? This is the same kind of
> >>>>semantic crap.
> >>>>
> >>>>Sadly enough: these 100 "good" protesters (the authorized demo
> >>>>Thursday out Cathedral) have performed a betrayal.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Ten people were arrested during two nights of protests against
> >>>>>the meeting.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>But Mr Hughes said on Friday that these were only a tiny minority
> >>>>>of the protesters who gathered in the city and were allowed to
> >>>>>make their views known.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"We've experienced no serious disorder during the conference
> >>>>>period and have facilitated the right to lawful protest outside
> >>>>>each of the functions the ministers have attended," he said.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>
> >>
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> >>    É elas não terem sentido oculto nenhum" (A. Caeiro)
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