[g8-sheffield] Terror n torture

[Dan]

The police expenditure isn't just for our sakes.  Not a good line of 
argument.  It's to counter the terrorist threat.

Which is something we should perhaps also discuss.  Regardless of 
everything else going on in the world (f**ked up war, a network of 
torture and interrogation, the criminalisation of Islam, the state 
scaring the hell out of its people in order to get more power, etc...) - 
it remains the fact that there *is* actually a terrorist threat - or to 
put it a different way, some people do think it's a good idea to try and 
blow other people up to get their way.

We can argue all we like about 'yeah, but they're terrorists too!'  
Nevertheless, the threat exists.  That's what they're mainly policing, 
not us.

Is G8 Sheffield against both?  If so, we need to be clear on that, and 
that the current terrorist threat is worse because of the actions of our 
government.  And that as long as these states carry on polarising and 
terrorising whole communities, the threat can only get worse.

How could any Muslim read about that Canadian guy finding himself being 
tortured in Syria for a year (after having been named by someone who'd 
been tortured - who'd also been named by someone under torture...) and 
then acquiese as Hazel Blears suggests Muslims must accept they will be 
targetted more in stop and search?

Dan

Philippe Deux wrote:

> I propose this twofold approach (the artistic approach, together with
> urbanparanoia):
> grounds: the key to reject violence from protesters : if you don't
> ignore orders against the public protest, there's nothing to fear.
>
> Check sheffield indymedia:
>
> http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/sheffield/2005/03/306796.html
>
>
> Critical mass would be out of place. "Processions" as the derby city
> council labeled marches, were be banned. Entirely. (What about using  the
> air perimeter? Balloons banned as well?)
>
> idea 1: an artistic approach that takes symbolism into account is
> proposed, together with the more pragmatic one: $$$$$.
>
> At Derby M17, Friends of the Earth and other environmental groups were
> reported as having sent  *an oil barrel containing hundreds of water
> bottles*
> (this seem to imply that symbolism may be working better than other
> types of action)
> (how did they send it to the G8 summit? by messenger? this could be the
> point: any response/reaction ?))
>
> For Derby as a sample, check excellent indymedia
> pictures showing the official printed order glued to lamp posts.
>
> two: the immense, disproportionate *EXPENDITURE* by police forces and
> their authorities: this is every taxpayer's waste of money: public
> should be informed. (check protesters on one side and forces on the
> other). *Expected* floods of bearded dirty anarchists are a *lie* to
> account for such an expenditure.
> three: what a shame for "left" political parties? where are they? on the
> other side of the pen?
> Check indymedia photo again: the few protesters inside an allowed "pen":
> people from Derby on the other side, watching street theatre... and
> mass police force around every ring. Describe protesters: how violent
> they look, indeed! Mothers and fathers with their young children... Are
> these
> the tsunami of anarchists without a warning system to protect the oceans?
>
> o hell! o yell! o butterflies!
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> Dozens of protestors staged a "go-slow" bike ride through the city
> streets and some were arrested for ignoring orders against public 
> protests.
>
> A meeting later in the city's Market Square passed off peacefully.
>
> Campaigners sent an oil barrel containing hundreds of water bottles to
> the G8 summit to raise awareness of drought conditions in some parts of
> Africa.
>
> "People in Africa need clean water, not oil," Ms Lister said.
>
> Derbyshire Police said the summit is the biggest operation the force has
> had to deal with since the miners' strike.
>
> The force successfully requested powers from the Home Office to ensure
> protestors have to meet at an agreed central meeting place.
>
>
> *On 14 March BBC Derby said
>
> *A Home Office spokesperson said: "The Home Office has received two
> applications from Derby City Council under the Public order Act 1986.
>
> "They are for a ban on marches through Derby city centre and for a ban
> on trespassary assemblies in the parishes of Long Eaton, Breadsall and
> Morley.
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> Dan wrote:
>
>> Robin's pasted a very interesting article below.  Question now is - 
>> what do we do?
>>
>> Can anyone write up any minutes from Wednesday's meeting / give any 
>> bullet points?  (Sorry for not making it.  Slight burn-out this week!)
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> -------- Original Message -------- Subject:     [ssf] G8 arrests in 
>> Derby Date:     Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:49:24 +0000 From:     Robin 
>> Ouzman <ouzman at giftoftongues.co.uk> To:     SSF <ssf at lists.aktivix.org>
>>
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>>
>> The City Council itself asking for bans on marches. The force asking 
>> for a protesting "focus" and avoid mobile actions. Twelve protestors 
>> arrested yesterday at Derby (from about 150, about 10%?) No "legal 
>> observers" present. Hello up there, Looking at these facts, doesn't 
>> it seem as a bit more reasonable to call the g8 to disband (just to 
>> make things clear to the public), give some press-conferences before 
>> (as i keep suggesting ), a press conference can be made by two 
>> persons, and just forget about the whole b***dy thing.
>>
>>
>> (anyway, just keep reading:)
>>
>>
>> Don't know anything about arrests, but this report was in the 
>> Guardian. Looks like they were holding a practice run.
>>
>> http://politics.guardian.co.uk/green/story/0,9061,1440584,00.html
>>
>> *2,000 police close school and throw five-mile ring of steel round 
>> village in £2m top security alert for environment meeting
>>
>> *Paul Brown, environment correspondent Friday March 18 2005 The Guardian
>>
>> In what Derbyshire police called the biggest security operation since
>>  the miner's strike, 2,000 police from 10 forces sealed off Breadsall
>>  Priory hotel and country club yesterday so environment and 
>> development ministers from 20 countries could talk to each other.
>>
>> A five-mile ring of steel fencing with a specially laid metal road 
>> capable of carrying fully laden riot vans on 24-hour patrol was one 
>> of five perimeters set up to protect the 30 ministers. The operation,
>>  costing at least £2m, included the closure of Breadsall village 
>> primary school for two days.
>>
>> The venue, chosen because it is close to the constituency of Margaret
>>  Beckett, the environment secretary, and MP for Derby South, is 
>> normally a £110 a night golf and health hotel.
>>
>> On the advice of Derbyshire police, following "intelligence reports",
>>  Mrs Beckett insisted that full security measures be taken. The 
>> number of police and sheer scale of the operation is in marked 
>> contrast to a meeting two days earlier, involving many of the same 
>> ministers, which was held at the Brewery Centre in Chiswell Street in
>>  central London.
>>
>> There 25 police were deployed to keep in check a demonstration of 
>> around 50 people while Gordon Brown, the chancellor, made his first 
>> speech about climate change.
>>
>> Police from as far afield as Brighton and Durham were bussed in to 
>> protect the ministers who met for two hours yesterday afternoon 
>> before being taken in police convoys to Chatsworth House 10 miles 
>> away for dinner, where they were protected by another large police 
>> presence.
>>
>>> From Derby it took two hours for journalists to penetrate the police
>>
>> cordons, even though all had registered in advance. Some delegates, 
>> who had come by car and not taken advantage of the first-class train 
>> compartments from London used by ministers, were also caught in 
>> police cordons. Among them was Ian Johnson, vice-president for 
>> sustainability at the World Bank in Washington.
>>
>> "I confess I have never seen anything on this scale before, this 
>> number of police and these steel perimeters," he said. "The police 
>> are only doing their job, however, and are all very good humoured 
>> about it."
>>
>> He had to leave his car two miles away in Drum Hill Scout Camp and 
>> penetrate five roadblocks and security checks to reach Breadsall 
>> Priory. Police using dogs and explosive experts searched everyone 
>> entering the site.
>>
>> A demonstration march from the centre of the city to the conference 
>> centre planned by environment groups including Friends of the Earth 
>> was banned by the home secretary, Charles Clarke. Instead around 150 
>> demonstrators were allowed to hold a rally outside the town hall. 
>> They were outnumbered five to one by police.
>>
>> Tony Juniper, director of Friends of the Earth, said: "While we 
>> welcome the first ever meeting of environment and development 
>> ministers to discuss critical issues like climate change and Africa 
>> we deeply regret the fact they feel they have to hide behind security
>>  shields and police cordons to avoid the very people they are 
>> supposed to represent. It is hardly surprising that if they only talk
>>  to each other and not to the people whose problems they are supposed
>>  to be solving they do not achieve very much."
>>
>> Journalists from as far away as China were confined to the golf club 
>> house at the hotel and ministers, meeting 150 metres away in a hotel 
>> annexe, were invited to come and talk to them. In fact none did 
>> yesterday, although a press conference is due to be held today.
>>
>> Officials said environment ministers were discussing the report of 
>> Tony Blair's Commission for Africa yesterday and the problems of 
>> species loss and maintaining biodiversity.
>>
>> Today they will be discussing how to improve the delivery of 
>> international aid after the tsunami disaster on Boxing Day and 
>> climate change in Africa in the light of the Commission for Africa's 
>> report.
>>
>> They will also hope to have a policy to prevent continuing trade in 
>> illegal logs to the developed world.
>>
>> Copyright Guardian Newspapers Limited
>>
>>
>>
>> At 15:22 18/03/2005 +0000, you wrote:
>>
>>> I see from the Herald that the 5000 anarchist demonstraters who 
>>> would 'riot in the streets of Derby' turned out to be 150 people 
>>> with a 'peaceful and party-like' atmosphere.  But there were 10 
>>> arrests for public order offences. Does anyone know anymore?
>>>
>>> Jane
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From BBC DERBY 17 March
>>>
>>>
>>> Protestors arrested at G8 summit
>>>
>>> Hundreds of police are on duty at the G8 summit *Twelve 
>>> environmental protestors have been arrested for public order 
>>> offences on the first day of a G8 summit meeting in Derbyshire.*
>>>
>>> About 100 demonstrators gathered in Derby city centre to raise 
>>> awareness of Africa's need for water.
>>>
>>> Calle Lister from Friends of the Earth said police overreacted to 
>>> what was intended as a peaceful protest.
>>>
>>> Government ministers from around the world are meeting for an 
>>> environment summit at nearby Breadsall Priory.
>>>
>>> *'Water not oil'*
>>>
>>> Dozens of protestors staged a "go-slow" bike ride through the city 
>>> streets and some were arrested for ignoring orders against public 
>>> protests.
>>>
>>> A meeting later in the city's Market Square passed off peacefully.
>>>
>>> Campaigners sent an oil barrel containing hundreds of water bottles
>>>  to the G8 summit to raise awareness of drought conditions in some 
>>> parts of Africa.
>>>
>>> "People in Africa need clean water, not oil," Ms Lister said.
>>>
>>> Derbyshire Police said the summit is the biggest operation the force 
>>> has had to deal with since the miners' strike.
>>>
>>> The force successfully requested powers from the Home Office to 
>>> ensure protestors have to meet at an agreed central meeting place.
>>>
>>>
>>> *On 14 March BBC Derby said
>>>
>>> *A Home Office spokesperson said: "The Home Office has received two
>>>  applications from Derby City Council under the Public order Act 1986.
>>>
>>> "They are for a ban on marches through Derby city centre and for a 
>>> ban on trespassary assemblies in the parishes of Long Eaton, 
>>> Breadsall and Morley.
>>>
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