[g8-sheffield] MPH and police

[Dan]

MPH and the police conspiring to condemn violent protest???

Gosh - people's capacity for conspiracy theories never ceases to amaze me.

Try running the conversation between the MPH bods and the the police 
through your head.  You must really think badly of them trade justice 
guys if you can do it and still think they colluded.

Also:

1  I've failed to find where any MPH person was condemning direct 
action.  Could someone find it for me, coz I'm too lazy to look again?
2. Who gets to be a dissent spokesperson?  No-one - coz we value our 
autonomy, on the whole.  So if anyone doing stuff with MPH condemned 
direct action, they're not speaking on behalf of the whole movement, are 
they?
3. WDM's top bod, for one, has actually said that lobbying is no longer 
enough, and that direct action is the future.  Which is to say, neither 
MPH or any of the rest of us are a coherent bloc. 
4. Don't forget who the real enemy is: the People's Front of Judea.  
Solidarity Bruvva!

Dan
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adriana wrote:

> Yep, we are getting closer.
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>>  It wouln't surprise me in the least to find
>> out that the reason MPH have condemned others efforts is because the
>> police have asked them to do so as a pre condition for the go ahead
>> for their demonstration. Or it could be another similar mechanism to
>> prompt them into doing so. Whatever the reason its is no indication
>> that supporters of MPH believe in the same thing.
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> atw wrote:
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>> dh> Steve - sales of white bands currently stand at 3.5 million.
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>> I don't know what you mean by a 'white band' or whether it is relevent
>> it has to what I said?
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>> However I don't think it is necessary to have a hi degree political
>> conciousness to believe in direct action. All you need is a vague
>> awareness that the government is not interested in hearing or doing
>> what people want, or maybe the fact that demonstrations never change
>> anything or that those that are running the government completely mad.
>> I think millions of people know these things at some level even though
>> they may not have a clue what 'capitalism' means.
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>> There are many examples of this but recently I would say non payment
>> of the Poll tax is perhaps the biggest example of people taking direct
>> action to change things. Millions were involved. However things like
>> the anti-roads protests have also recieved very wide support from the
>> public.
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>> If MPH have criticised direct action publicly then I think we have to
>> ask why. Why did they feel the need to say anything about these
>> actions at all? Why not just focus on what they're doing instead? I
>> don't see Dissent or other groups publicly decrying their demos.
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>> Well we don't know for sure but I think we can make a pretty good
>> guess. The idea of co-option and divide and rule mentioned in that
>> Spinwatch article (http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/05/311469.html)
>> is probably at the core. It wouln't surprise me in the least to find
>> out that the reason MPH have condemned others efforts is because the
>> police have asked them to do so as a pre condition for the go ahead
>> for their demonstration. Or it could be another similar mechanism to
>> prompt them into doing so. Whatever the reason its is no indication
>> that supporters of MPH believe in the same thing.
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>> The reason such demos are popular is because they're less risky, and
>> the reason they less risky is because they are sanctioned by the
>> state. Its also the reason they're never going to get very far.
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>> cheers
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>> steve
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