[g8-sheffield] Re: Good and bad protesters
hjdsmdr at mixmail.com
Tue May 31 01:29:06 BST 2005
"¡Barbaros, las ideas no se matan!"
(Domingo Faustino Sarmiento, President of Argentina in the XIXs)
Schoolchildren were learning this famous phrase and i continued
believing it: that's the risk of teaching famous statements to children.
Now, what may happen and how things might evolve?
Yet the present is but the fruit from the past: these things have
already happened here in Sheffield, somewhat.
There have been good and bad protesters before.
> WORKING PRINCIPLES
> 1. We give unconditional support to anyone arrested as a result
> of participation in protests or actions against the G8. We are not
> the judge and jury of the validity or otherwise of the tactics of
Couldn't it be possible to say that whoever agrees to this principle
would be regarded as a "bad" protester by g8-sheffield dissent?
Then where are they supposed to go?
Then why the name "sheffield dissent" if in disagreement with the
Dissent working principle ?
> dh> So far as I know, Make Poverty History hasn't made any statement
> dh> attacking Dissent. The media are stirring this up - and it seems
> to be dh> working.
> I don't know either. I was going on a sentence in Chris Malins email,
> "Make Poverty HIstory and other similar groups are typically willing
> to condemn types of behaviour".
> dh> I don't deny the importance and usefulness of direct action. But
> I dh> don't believe that it's the only form of political action that
> ever dh> achieves anything - which seems to be your position, if I've
> dh> understood?
> I don't think demonstrations achieve anything. At least I don't know
> of one that has. I'm guessing MPH is some kind of continuation of
> Jubilee 2000 who managed to get 100,000 at the last G8 in Birmingham?
> I think they were basically ignored - the only success being that
> Tony Blair made some sort of wishy washy statement about how he
> supported them but wasn't going to do anything anyway.
> dh> The sheer size of take-up of the MPH campaign (including a
> bandwagon dh> of celebrities, half of whom doubtless haven't a clue
> what they're dh> talking about) has forced the issues of trade, debt
> and aid to an dh> unprecedented profile in the British media this
> year. That keeps up dh> the pressure on the government, which
> contributes to (and I say this dh> through gritted teeth) the British
> government taking a relatively more dh> impressive line on those
> issues compared to other G8 governments. dh> However, the coalition
> has not endorsed the government's position, dh> despite Blair's
> attempts to co-opt it, but continues to lobby for more dh> radical
> reform on all three fronts.
> dh> This won't end capitalism - but it may save huge numbers of lives
> dh> in the mean time.
> I certainly hope so - but I wouldn't count on it. And if the other G8
> governments don't agree then the British government's effort will be
> simply words and Blair will have both his cake and eat it. He'll
> have credibility with MPH for having tried but nothing will have
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