<DIV>"As a citizen of this town, island, planet, galaxy I'm<BR>prepared to stand up among the free thinkers but that's where it ends."</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks for that Kathleen. But you didn't tell us which group of 'free thinkers' you have joined.</DIV>
<DIV>Seriously, <EM>everybody </EM>has some politics. Even 'free thinkers'. Their politics might come from their parents, or they might come as a reaction against the politics of their parents or they might come from somewhere else altogether. But let nobody try to tell us that 'they have no politics'. Because 'anti-politics' is just as much 'politics' as 'politics'. <BR><BR><BR><B><I>g8-sheffield-request@lists.aktivix.org</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Send g8-sheffield mailing list submissions to<BR>g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR><BR>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR>http://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/g8-sheffield<BR>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR>g8-sheffield-request@lists.aktivix.org<BR><BR>You can reach the person managing the list at<BR>g8-sheffield-owner@lists.aktivix.org<BR><BR>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>than "Re: Contents of g8-sheffield digest..."<BR><BR><BR>Today's Topics:<BR><BR>1. Prayers and New-Agers, Socialists and Hydrolic-Despots.<BR>(Kathleen Holliday)<BR>2. Re: Prayers and New-Agers, Socialists and Hydrolic-Despots.<BR>(dougald hine)<BR>3. Practicalities (Dan)<BR>4. Prayers and New-Agers, Socialists and Hydrolic-Despots.<BR>(zerosevenfour two)<BR>5. from david very urgent (david rehmat)<BR>6. free
photocopying (Jason Von Brevern)<BR>7. Hydrolic-Despots and Demonstration (Kathleen Holliday)<BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:38:43 +0100<BR>From: "Kathleen Holliday" <NOWORRIS@BLUEYONDER.CO.UK><BR>Subject: [g8-sheffield] Prayers and New-Agers, Socialists and<BR>Hydrolic-Despots.<BR>To: <G8-SHEFFIELD@LISTS.AKTIVIX.ORG><BR>Message-ID: <008e01c565d5$4e0f6b80$9800a8c0@florence><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR><BR>I'm getting a little disillusioned about this. I am very proud to say I am<BR>not a member of any political or religious body. <BR><BR>I don't want to join the socialists or the pentecostals. <BR><BR>It seems more like recruitment than peaceful protest that is being planned here. <BR><BR>I'll walk into Sheffield <BR>but I'm not taking sides among factions of divided protesters or saying prayers to<BR>anyone elses god and I don't like the idea of being
branded with any new-age label.<BR><BR><BR>-------------- next part --------------<BR>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>URL: http://lists.aktivix.org/pipermail/g8-sheffield/attachments/20050531/f5699f43/attachment-0001.html<BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 2<BR>Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:53:09 +0100<BR>From: dougald hine <WRITETODOUGALD@GMAIL.COM><BR>Subject: Re: [g8-sheffield] Prayers and New-Agers, Socialists and<BR>Hydrolic-Despots.<BR>To: g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR>Message-ID: <A388B3B3050531045379AD08D@MAIL.GMAIL.COM><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<BR><BR>KH > I'm getting a little disillusioned about this.<BR><BR>Sorry to hear this. Thanks for saying it rather than just opting out<BR>of the list.<BR><BR>I'm not aware of acrimonious divisions among those on this list - but<BR>there has been a lot of spirited debate in the last couple of days,<BR>maybe it reads like we're more divided than we are. We don't have to<BR>agree on
everything to work together effectively.<BR><BR>With two weeks to go, maybe we should take the political theory (and<BR>I'm as guilty as anyone) somewhere else and use this list for<BR>discussing the practicalities.<BR><BR><BR>--<BR>Dougald Hine<BR>46 Alderson Road, Sheffield S2 4UD<BR>(+44)(0)7810 650213<BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 3<BR>Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 13:50:28 +0100<BR>From: Dan <DAN@AKTIVIX.ORG><BR>Subject: [g8-sheffield] Practicalities<BR>To: g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR>Message-ID: <429C5D94.2070505@aktivix.org><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<BR><BR>Hia<BR><BR>Yeah - keeping this list for practicalities. We've said it before, but <BR>it's easy to slip into bad habits!<BR><BR>It really is a positive group: everyone's been working so hard. <BR>Something's gonna happen and, in the best traditions of autonomous <BR>action, no-one exactly knows what! Cool...<BR><BR>Idea coming
up...<BR><BR>Dan<BR><BR>dougald hine wrote:<BR><BR>>KH > I'm getting a little disillusioned about this.<BR>><BR>>Sorry to hear this. Thanks for saying it rather than just opting out<BR>>of the list.<BR>><BR>>I'm not aware of acrimonious divisions among those on this list - but<BR>>there has been a lot of spirited debate in the last couple of days,<BR>>maybe it reads like we're more divided than we are. We don't have to<BR>>agree on everything to work together effectively.<BR>><BR>>With two weeks to go, maybe we should take the political theory (and<BR>>I'm as guilty as anyone) somewhere else and use this list for<BR>>discussing the practicalities.<BR>><BR>><BR>>--<BR>>Dougald Hine<BR>>46 Alderson Road, Sheffield S2 4UD<BR>>(+44)(0)7810 650213<BR>><BR>>_______________________________________________<BR>>http://www.sheffield.dissent.org.uk/<BR>>http://wiki.sheffieldsocialforum.org.uk/G8<BR>>g8-sheffield mailing
list<BR>>g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR>>http://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/g8-sheffield<BR>> <BR>><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 4<BR>Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:59:32 +0000<BR>From: "zerosevenfour two" <ZEROSEVENFOURTWO@HOTMAIL.CO.UK><BR>Subject: [g8-sheffield] Prayers and New-Agers, Socialists and<BR>Hydrolic-Despots.<BR>To: g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR>Message-ID: <BAY21-F18477BADB9FE116496C2B999040@PHX.GBL><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed<BR><BR>K.H Wrote<BR>I'm getting a little disillusioned about this. I am very proud to say I am<BR>not a member of any political or religious body.<BR><BR>Reply i have been disillusioned all my life and more so in the last few <BR>weeks all of this leaves an ugly feeling of deep anger and then the middle <BR>class and there lackeys spend a night laughing at the working class for not <BR>being inteligant. i will defend my class the working class drunk or not <BR>drunk no matter what
i would have said and done the same with or with out <BR>drink inside of me sometimes the lackeys can not be ignored and have to be <BR>challanged even though you become the fool because you are not as <BR>artitculate as them.<BR><BR>K.H Wrote<BR>I don't want to join the socialists or the pentecostals.<BR><BR>Reply nither do i desire to become a member of there bullshit and lets <BR>remeber the rumours and lies misinfomation are a means thay use to divde and <BR>rule us. just so sad the likes of atw and others beleve some of there own <BR>propaganada. if only people looked behond there own ignorance we might have <BR>a mass movement instaed of this sectarian shit. said it befor nither the swp <BR>make poverty hisitory what ever brand are my enamy but capitlism that <BR>subdegates us.<BR><BR>K.H Wrote<BR>It seems more like recruitment than peaceful protest that is being planned <BR>here.<BR><BR>Reply and yes true but we need to look further into why this might be and <BR>move from
that base. though it angers me that groups see all of this as a <BR>means of join us our brand is better than the other brand. if you look at <BR>this in the perspective of cuilts you begin to understand why people and <BR>groups are like thay are.<BR><BR>K.H Wrote<BR>I'll walk into Sheffield but I'm not taking sides among factions of divided <BR>protesters or saying prayers to anyone elses god and I don't like the idea <BR>of being branded with any new-age label.<BR><BR>Reply and nither will i join in this bullshit. though at times i find myself <BR>acting out the patterns of behavour becuase i have the need to be liked like <BR>the rest of us. is this not a social club for the disturbed? there for <BR>should we not disturb the comfertable and start to comfert the disturbed?<BR><BR>K.H Wrote<BR>As a citizen of this town, island, planet, galaxy I'm prepared to stand up <BR>among the free thinkers but that's where it ends<BR><BR>Reply and i could not help myself and reply because
Kathleen Holliday has <BR>spoken so much truth in her observations and i thank her for doing so.<BR><BR>0742<BR><BR>_________________________________________________________________<BR>It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger 7.0 today! <BR>http://messenger.msn.co.uk<BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 5<BR>Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:09:01 +0000<BR>From: "david rehmat" <DAVID_REHMAT2003@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>Subject: [g8-sheffield] from david very urgent<BR>To: g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR>Message-ID: <BAY14-F824D3C309B788BE919BE4E8040@PHX.GBL><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed<BR><BR>Dear sir/madam<BR><BR>greetings. We are a landless tenants movement working and struggling for the <BR>ownership of the land and land rights here in Pakistan. Since we are also a <BR>movement that is resistance against the paramillitary forces here. This <BR>movement (AMP) consists upon about 10 millions peasants and farmers from <BR>Punjab Pakistan.<BR>We can
provide you with whole the documents and infomation if needed.<BR><BR>We came to know about your plannings and meeting against the G-8. We would <BR>also like to participate in the events that you have planned around the G-8 <BR>resistance.<BR>It is therefore requested that you kindly guide us or inform us the <BR>procedure how to participate. If<BR><BR>you welcome us we will be needing<BR>* An invitation letter from your organization to show in Embassy <BR>here.<BR><BR>Since the time is also very short so we are extremely sorry for delay from <BR>our side. We had been in correspondence with " Mr. Mcnut " of dissent <BR>network since long. Now since he has informed us about you and suggested us <BR>to contact with you so please oblige us and provide us chance to be with you <BR>hands in hands for the events and especially the counterconferences.<BR><BR>looking forward for positive and quick response<BR><BR>Regards<BR><BR>David Rehmat<BR>General Secratary<BR>AMP, Punjab,
Pakistan.<BR><BR>_________________________________________________________________<BR>FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! <BR>http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/<BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 6<BR>Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:00:58 -0000<BR>From: "Jason Von Brevern" <VONBREVERN@TISCALI.CO.UK><BR>Subject: [g8-sheffield] free photocopying<BR>To: <G8-SHEFFIELD@LISTS.AKTIVIX.ORG><BR>Message-ID: <200505311201.j4VC1Lf6006601@springnight.burngreave.net><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250"<BR><BR>Dear Ian,<BR><BR><BR><BR>I don’t know if this message about free photocopying was meant for the<BR>general public, but if it was this is exactly what I am looking for just<BR>now.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Please can you let me know.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Thank you <BR><BR><BR><BR>Jason von Brevern<BR><BR><BR>-- <BR>No virus found in this outgoing message.<BR>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.<BR>Version: 7.0.322 / Virus
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<BR>drink inside of me sometimes the lackeys can not be ignored and have to be <BR>challanged even though you become the fool because you are not as <BR>artitculate as them."<BR><BR>There is no class unless you make it yourself, you are the same and as good as any other person born on this planet. Wealth is defined by "society" as being in possession of material things but your real wealth is your TIME which you sell and trade in. <BR><BR><BR>The materially rich need the poor in order to exist. This link posted by Dan says it all http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1495676,00.html<BR><BR><BR>"our brand is better than the other brand" Our politicians are all in the same club, have business lunches together and then hold public debates and elections after making their decisions in private. It's a shame that they don't listen to the voices of their own people.<BR><BR>Violence is not going to do any good except to justify the same extreme counter-reactions that we are
protesting against. <BR><BR>Groups are easier to target and as a member of a group with spokesmen and leaders, each member loses their standing as a free thinker and it can easily become a mob mentality. <BR><BR>In the Ukraine, the ordinary people went out on the streets spontaneously and false election results were reversed. http://www.theorangerevolution.com/orangerevolution.html<BR><BR>Sorry for airing my personal views but I felt it was necessary ~ Kathy<BR><BR>-------------- next part --------------<BR>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>URL: http://lists.aktivix.org/pipermail/g8-sheffield/attachments/20050531/a4304947/attachment.html<BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>http://www.sheffield.dissent.org.uk/<BR>http://wiki.sheffieldsocialforum.org.uk/G8<BR>g8-sheffield mailing list<BR>g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR>http://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/g8-sheffield<BR><BR><BR>End of g8-sheffield Digest, Vol 3,
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