<DIV>Can't 'class' be (relatively) objectively defined? Those who do own and/or control the means of production versus those who do not.</DIV>
<DIV>This definition makes the vast majority 'working class'. Just because somebody wears a suit and works in an office/hospital/school/ etc etc does not mean they are 'them'. The structure of wealth creation has shifted from the old heavy industries to white collar industries. </DIV>
<DIV>There is currently the potential for very widescale industrial action over attacks on our pensions. Every individual who supports that is 'on our side'. And it doesn't matter what clothes they wear, music they listen to, or even whether their bike has 15 gears or 21 gears.</DIV>
<DIV>Ian <BR><BR><B><I>g8-sheffield-request@lists.aktivix.org</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Send g8-sheffield mailing list submissions to<BR>g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR><BR>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR>http://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/g8-sheffield<BR>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR>g8-sheffield-request@lists.aktivix.org<BR><BR>You can reach the person managing the list at<BR>g8-sheffield-owner@lists.aktivix.org<BR><BR>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>than "Re: Contents of g8-sheffield digest..."<BR><BR><BR>Today's Topics:<BR><BR>1. class (Kathleen Holliday)<BR>2. Re: class (Chris Malins)<BR>3. PLEASE PRINT AND COPY DISTRABUTE (zerosevenfour two)<BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 17:58:07 +0100<BR>From: "Kathleen Holliday" <NOWORRIS@BLUEYONDER.CO.UK><BR>Subject:
[g8-sheffield] class<BR>To: <G8-SHEFFIELD@LISTS.AKTIVIX.ORG><BR>Message-ID: <004b01c56d14$69c1a8c0$9800a8c0@florence><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR><BR>I feel sorry for the "middle class", always aspiring to become richer, having to keep up with appearances, working their guts off for a pension someone's going to steal, that's if they haven't died of stress-related diseases. <BR><BR>I said it before, we are equal until we think we aren't. <BR><BR>Money isn't the only measure of wealth. It's time we trade in. <BR><BR><BR><BR>http://eserver.org/thoreau/civil1.html <- civil dosobedience<BR>-------------- next part --------------<BR>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>URL: http://lists.aktivix.org/pipermail/g8-sheffield/attachments/20050609/3347cbb3/attachment-0001.html<BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 2<BR>Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 18:09:02 +0100<BR>From: Chris Malins <CHRISMALINS@GMAIL.COM><BR>Subject: Re: [g8-sheffield] class<BR>To:
Kathleen Holliday <NOWORRIS@BLUEYONDER.CO.UK>, G8 Sheffield<BR><G8-SHEFFIELD@LISTS.AKTIVIX.ORG><BR>Message-ID: <42A877AE.7060702@gmail.com><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<BR><BR>Some rather sweeping class based statements going around. I'm not <BR>convinced that the entire middle class conforms to that description, any <BR>more than the working class does. Unless you are trying to define new <BR>groupings, in which case the old terminology beceoms anti-constructive.<BR><BR>But perhaps time to take this one of list for everyone's sakes, given <BR>how clsoe we are to impact?<BR><BR>Chris<BR><BR>Kathleen Holliday wrote:<BR>> I feel sorry for the "middle class", always aspiring to become richer, <BR>> having to keep up with appearances, working their guts off for a pension <BR>> someone's going to steal, that's if they haven't died of stress-related <BR>> diseases.<BR>> <BR>> I said it before, we are equal until we think we
aren't.<BR>> <BR>> Money isn't the only measure of wealth. It's time we trade in.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> http://eserver.org/thoreau/civil1.html <- civil dosobedience<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> http://www.sheffield.dissent.org.uk/<BR>> http://wiki.sheffieldsocialforum.org.uk/G8<BR>> g8-sheffield mailing list<BR>> g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR>> http://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/g8-sheffield<BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 3<BR>Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 17:11:29 +0000<BR>From: "zerosevenfour two" <ZEROSEVENFOURTWO@HOTMAIL.CO.UK><BR>Subject: [g8-sheffield] PLEASE PRINT AND COPY DISTRABUTE<BR>To: g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR>Message-ID: <BAY21-F186DF867E09243228B12E899FC0@PHX.GBL><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<BR><BR>Here is pdf copy of the form people need
to fill in if there are arrest <BR>etc.. ill update the web page with legall stuff on saturday ie remove the <BR>critcall mass. ill also do a wiki page for people to add any info etc..<BR><BR>_________________________________________________________________<BR>Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! <BR>http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/<BR>-------------- next part --------------<BR>A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<BR>Name: statement.pdf<BR>Type: application/pdf<BR>Size: 104244 bytes<BR>Desc: not available<BR>Url : http://lists.aktivix.org/pipermail/g8-sheffield/attachments/20050609/fd8a8a5f/statement.pdf<BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>http://www.sheffield.dissent.org.uk/<BR>http://wiki.sheffieldsocialforum.org.uk/G8<BR>g8-sheffield mailing list<BR>g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR>http://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/g8-sheffield<BR><BR><BR>End of g8-sheffield Digest, Vol 4, Issue
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