<DIV>Well: there are a lot of people who think mass mobilisation means doing <BR>what you're told and following a party line. Of course, plenty of <BR>people believe this is the one and only way that revolution will come - <BR>that all this wibble about freedom and autonomy is self-indulgent <BR>nonsense, stemming from the fluffy, comfortable post-materialist <BR>lifestyles of rich westerners. Some say it also indicates a total lack <BR>of understanding of the nature and strength of the enemy. In the face of <BR>capitalism, division in the ranks is not a luxury the oppressed can afford.<BR><BR>(There's a good example of this in a recent post to Indymedia about the <BR>clown's frivolity vs South American unity, resolve and self-sacrifice - <BR>http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/sheffield/2005/06/314158.html)<BR><BR>Many of us - myself included - refuse to submit to any 'mass <BR>mobilisation' if we are required to give up our freedom. Mass <BR>mobilisation requires obedience to
authority. Not doing that. If <BR>someone gains my trust and respect, then I will listen to them and act <BR>with them in solidarity: that's power-with, not power-over. I won't <BR>march in an army, proletarian or otherwise. I won't follow behind <BR>someone claiming to know the truth about the nature of social forces, <BR>any more than I would follow a priest who claimed to hold the truth <BR>about my soul. All these claims - that there's one truth, and it's <BR>Marx's / the Bible's / science's / and anyway, stop asking questions, <BR>you're part of a mass mobilisation, not a thinker - they're all from the <BR>same style of politics.<BR><BR>Hell - a lot more arguing and discussion to be done! Last point, <BR>though: people who believe in a command economy tend also to believe in <BR>command society & command democracy - democratic centralism. But people <BR>have always exchanged, and always traded. Exchange emerges naturally - <BR>as it does in prisons, as it did in Auschwitz
even. What neoliberalism <BR>does is to dismember exchange from society - turning everything into <BR>money machines. Property, goods, resources - human resources included - <BR>'services', ideas, programs, genes... all devices for turning energy <BR>into pure capital...<BR><BR>We can claim all that back for ourselves - but I don't think we need any <BR>mass mobilisation to do it. Aw f**k - it's a big leftie tiff that's <BR>been going on for bloody years... let's see if we can discuss it in <BR>civility.<BR><BR>See ya<BR><BR>Dan</DIV>
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<DIV><BR>----<BR>Thanks very much Dan. I think I see where you and others are coming from now.</DIV>
<DIV>As I see it, the whole point of a 'mass mobilisation' is precisely that <EM>nobody </EM>(or <EM>everybody</EM>) is in control. It becomes a whole new ball game.</DIV>
<DIV>Just because a whole lot of people are selling Socialist Worker on the mass mobilisation does not mean that we are 'in control'. Everybody does their own thing. And <EM>everybody learns</EM>. </DIV>
<DIV>Do you fancy a coffee? I've just bought 2 200g jars of Percol Perfect Coffee for only £1-50 each.</DIV>
<DIV>Ian<BR><BR><BR><B><I>g8-sheffield-request@lists.aktivix.org</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Send g8-sheffield mailing list submissions to<BR>g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR><BR>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR>http://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/g8-sheffield<BR>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR>g8-sheffield-request@lists.aktivix.org<BR><BR>You can reach the person managing the list at<BR>g8-sheffield-owner@lists.aktivix.org<BR><BR>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>than "Re: Contents of g8-sheffield digest..."<BR><BR><BR>Today's Topics:<BR><BR>1. we are terrorists, apparently (dougald hine)<BR>2. Thoughts for the future (IAN WALLACE)<BR>3. Mass mobilisation... (Dan)<BR>4. Filthy Radical Show - Thurs 12 to 1: come n help! (Dan)<BR>5. Next Stop Gleneagles (Helen and Nick)<BR>6. Re: Hurrah for More Meetings! (jgibbon@wimbledon.ac.uk)<BR>7. and now for something nice from 0742..
(zerosevenfour two)<BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:49:33 +0100<BR>From: dougald hine <WRITETODOUGALD@GMAIL.COM><BR>Subject: [g8-sheffield] we are terrorists, apparently<BR>To: "List for organising protests at the G8 meeting in Sheffield."<BR><G8-SHEFFIELD@LISTS.AKTIVIX.ORG><BR>Message-ID: <A388B3B30506210449F321E8E@MAIL.GMAIL.COM><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<BR><BR>Well, it's official, we now feature on the MIPT Terrorism Knowledge<BR>Base: A Comprehensive Databank of Global Terrorist Incidents and<BR>Organisations! But how did the idiot from Associated Press get the<BR>idea that there were only 20 protestors?<BR><BR>http://www.tkb.org/NewsStory.jsp?storyID=71068<BR><BR>-- <BR>Dougald Hine<BR>46 Alderson Road, Sheffield S2 4UD<BR>(+44)(0)7810 650213<BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 2<BR>Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:47:33 +0100 (BST)<BR>From: IAN
WALLACE <IAN.WALLACE15@BTOPENWORLD.COM><BR>Subject: [g8-sheffield] Thoughts for the future<BR>To: g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR>Message-ID: <20050621144733.86700.qmail@web86604.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR><BR>What is wrong with mass mobilisation? Insurection has 2 'r's. <BR>Ian<BR>g8-sheffield-request@lists.aktivix.org wrote:Send g8-sheffield mailing list submissions to<BR>g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR><BR>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR>http://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/g8-sheffield<BR>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR>g8-sheffield-request@lists.aktivix.org<BR><BR>You can reach the person managing the list at<BR>g8-sheffield-owner@lists.aktivix.org<BR><BR>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>than "Re: Contents of g8-sheffield digest..."<BR><BR><BR>Today's Topics:<BR><BR>1. Thoughts for the future...
(Dan)<BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:20:56 +0100<BR>From: Dan <BR>Subject: [g8-sheffield] Thoughts for the future...<BR>To: g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org, SSF <BR>Message-ID: <42B7EA08.5020207@aktivix.org><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<BR><BR>Hey up,<BR><BR>When criticisms are made of another's writing, it would be lovely if -<BR><BR>a) they were done in a spirit of solidarity, because<BR><BR>b) if you read *all* the post, the sentiments of the writer are wholly <BR>supportive, really exciting and visionary. <BR><BR>They even specifically say, for example, that they don't believe in <BR>old-fashioned 'mass-mobilisation' (which someone accused them of, when <BR>mentioning 'harnessing...'), and their discussion of the anarchists is <BR>full of hope and joy.<BR><BR>Also - the reference to filthy dirty radicals: I'm suspecting that's <BR>partly
because that's how we were referring to ourselves. We even had <BR>two outings of the Filthy Radical Radio Show on Sheffield Live FM. <BR>(being played again, today I think - 87.7fm!) That's merely a <BR>reflection of not taking ourselves too seriously, and having a good <BR>time. (Anyone doubting that humour isn't one of the most powerful of <BR>political weapons hasn't seen any Bill Hicks or Rob Newman...)<BR><BR>It is, though, a sad truth that one or two words written in haste can <BR>cause offence. If I were sixteen or thereabouts, I would get very upset <BR>if someone called me a little anything...! Which is why I always read <BR>back ALL e-mails and posts I write to myself, and try not to write <BR>anything when drunk!<BR><BR>So a big 'woo hoo!' to the spirit, hope and love of the writer. And <BR>here's to a Massive Alternative Terrain of Insurection, Love and Direct
<BR>Action...<BR><BR>Dan<BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>http://www.sheffield.dissent.org.uk/<BR>http://wiki.sheffieldsocialforum.org.uk/G8<BR>g8-sheffield mailing list<BR>g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR>http://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/g8-sheffield<BR><BR><BR>End of g8-sheffield Digest, Vol 4, Issue 48<BR>*******************************************<BR><BR>-------------- next part --------------<BR>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>URL: http://lists.aktivix.org/pipermail/g8-sheffield/attachments/20050621/8144b025/attachment-0001.html<BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 3<BR>Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:11:52 +0100<BR>From: Dan <DAN@AKTIVIX.ORG><BR>Subject: [g8-sheffield] Mass mobilisation...<BR>To: g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR>Message-ID: <42B82E37.4020409@aktivix.org><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<BR><BR>I checked the spelling of
insurection as well... maybe my computer <BR>allows both. But cheers.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>IAN WALLACE wrote:<BR><BR>> What is wrong with mass mobilisation? Insurection has 2 'r's.<BR>> Ian<BR>> */g8-sheffield-request@lists.aktivix.org/* wrote:<BR>><BR>> Send g8-sheffield mailing list submissions to<BR>> g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR>><BR>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR>> http://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/g8-sheffield<BR>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR>> g8-sheffield-request@lists.aktivix.org<BR>><BR>> You can reach the person managing the list at<BR>> g8-sheffield-owner@lists.aktivix.org<BR>><BR>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>> than "Re: Contents of g8-sheffield digest..."<BR>><BR>><BR>> Today's Topics:<BR>><BR>> 1. Thoughts for the future... (Dan)<BR>><BR>><BR>>
----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>><BR>> Message: 1<BR>> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:20:56 +0100<BR>> From: Dan<BR>> Subject: [g8-sheffield] Thoughts for the future...<BR>> To: g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org, SSF<BR>> Message-ID: <42B7EA08.5020207@aktivix.org><BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<BR>><BR>> Hey up,<BR>><BR>> When criticisms are made of another's writing, it would be lovely if -<BR>><BR>> a) they were done in a spirit of solidarity, because<BR>><BR>> b) if you read *all* the post, the sentiments of the writer are<BR>> wholly<BR>> supportive, really exciting and visionary.<BR>><BR>> They even specifically say, for example, that they don't believe in<BR>> old-fashioned 'mass-mobilisation' (which someone accused them of,<BR>> when<BR>> mentioning 'harnessing...'), and their discussion of the<BR>> anarchists is<BR>> full of
hope and joy.<BR>><BR>> Also - the reference to filthy dirty radicals: I'm suspecting that's<BR>> partly because that's how we were referring to ourselves. We even had<BR>> two outings of the Filthy Radical Radio Show on Sheffield Live FM.<BR>> (being played again, today I think - 87.7fm!) That's merely a<BR>> reflection of not taking ourselves too seriously, and having a good<BR>> time. (Anyone doubting that humour isn't one of the most powerful of<BR>> political weapons hasn't seen any Bill Hicks or Rob Newman...)<BR>><BR>> It is, though, a sad truth that one or two words written in haste can<BR>> cause offence. If I were sixteen or thereabouts, I would get very<BR>> upset<BR>> if someone called me a little anything...! Which is why I always read<BR>> back ALL e-mails and posts I write to myself, and try not to write<BR>> anything when drunk!<BR>><BR>> So a big 'woo hoo!' to the spirit, hope and love of the writer. And<BR>>
here's to a Massive Alternative Terrain of Insurection, Love and<BR>> Direct<BR>> Action...<BR>><BR>> Dan<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> ------------------------------<BR>><BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> http://www.sheffield.dissent.org.uk/<BR>> http://wiki.sheffieldsocialforum.org.uk/G8<BR>> g8-sheffield mailing list<BR>> g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR>> http://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/g8-sheffield<BR>><BR>><BR>> End of g8-sheffield Digest, Vol 4, Issue 48<BR>> *******************************************<BR>><BR>>------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>><BR>>_______________________________________________<BR>>http://www.sheffield.dissent.org.uk/<BR>>http://wiki.sheffieldsocialforum.org.uk/G8<BR>>g8-sheffield mailing list<BR>>g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR>>http://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/g8-sheffield<BR>>
<BR>><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 4<BR>Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:57:23 +0100<BR>From: Dan <DAN@AKTIVIX.ORG><BR>Subject: [g8-sheffield] Filthy Radical Show - Thurs 12 to 1: come n<BR>help!<BR>To: Sheffield Inymedia Kollective <IMC-SHEFFIELD@LISTS.INDYMEDIA.ORG>,<BR>g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR>Message-ID: <42B838E3.9090307@aktivix.org><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<BR><BR>Hey up,<BR><BR>The Filthy Radical Show is back on, this Thursday from 12 to 1. So -<BR><BR>1. Tune in: 87.7 fm<BR><BR>2. Do you want to join in? Either come in to the studio n shout from <BR>the back, have a chat about something close to your heart, bring in a <BR>favourite filthy radical track (like... er, the punk version of Fraggle <BR>Rock we played last time!) - giz an e-mail or a call on 07968 997861. <BR>We haven't planned meeting up yet, but probably will about two hours <BR>before the showv or sommat.<BR><BR>3. Has anyone got any
good audio suggestions? We're after good <BR>political songs, things like Bushwhacked, etc... I can come n copy <BR>em... just don't tell anyone, coz it's illegal.<BR><BR>see ya<BR><BR>Dan<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 5<BR>Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:21:33 +0100 (BST)<BR>From: Helen and Nick <SLENDERMEANS1@YAHOO.CO.UK><BR>Subject: [g8-sheffield] Next Stop Gleneagles<BR>To: g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR>Message-ID: <20050621202133.27982.qmail@web86910.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1<BR><BR>This is also to go up on the g8 sheffield frontpage of<BR>the website.<BR><BR>No Rest for the Wicked - Next Stop Gleneagles<BR><BR>Now the G8 Ministerial meeting is over in Sheffield<BR>talk is turning to sorting ourselves out for the G8<BR>summit in Gleneagles, Scotland. Some people involved<BR>in the Sheffield Against the G8 network are planning<BR>to hook up in Scotland. The plan so far is to be<BR>largely based at
the rural convergence site organised<BR>by the Dissent Network.<BR><BR>This rural convergence site will consist of small<BR>'villages' or 'neighbourhoods' with each one based<BR>around a kitchen capable of feeding a hundred (or many<BR>more) people. This village structure will be an<BR>integral part of the consensus decision making process<BR>on the site. Neighbourhoods can have a particular<BR>theme and some are based on geography - for example<BR>Manchester and Leeds. Our aim is to have a South<BR>Yorkshire neighbourhood, most likely in conjunction<BR>with another area so we can pool kitchen resources and<BR>the like. We think this might be a really cool thing<BR>to do, so that people travelling to Scotland have the<BR>opportunity to meet up and 'work' with other people<BR>from South Yorkshire, and create the possibility of<BR>building alliances in the region for the future. There<BR>will be a dedicated phone for the Sheffield<BR>Neighbourhood. To contact us while in Scotland
call<BR>07913779976.<BR><BR>Transport is everyone's shared headache. We are<BR>considering trying to see if we can afford to hire one<BR>or more minibuses to go up to Scotland, most likely<BR>for the full week of actions covering 2-8 July at<BR>least. If you are interested in possibility of getting<BR>a minibus together with others from Sheffield email<BR>the list with "TRANSPORT SCOTLAND" giving the dates<BR>you would ideally want to go, so we can gauge interest<BR>- no promises though!!!!<BR><BR><BR><BR>___________________________________________________________ <BR>How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday <BR>snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com<BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 6<BR>Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:09:17 +0100 (BST)<BR>From: jgibbon@wimbledon.ac.uk<BR>Subject: Re: [g8-sheffield] Hurrah for More Meetings!<BR>To: "Dan" <DAN@AKTIVIX.ORG><BR>Cc:
g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR>Message-ID:<BR><1065.81.159.128.106.1119388157.squirrel@ssl.wimbledon.ac.uk><BR>Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1<BR><BR>Sorry I couldn't make the meeting - pass on the news, or as much as can be<BR>put on the net. Are any more meetings planned?<BR>Jill<BR><BR>1. Massive Alternative Terrain of Insurection, Love and Direct Action is<BR>> beautiful! Insurection! Love! Diect Action! Wicked. Anything as<BR>> bourgeoise as love will immediately act as a talisman against Trots, so<BR>> I thoroughly approve...<BR>><BR>> 2. Meeting last night - not sure what I can say on the list. Except to<BR>> ask - when we said this list would be used to discuss the Massive<BR>> Alternative Terrain of Insurection, Love and Direct Action (working<BR>> title pending group consensus work with paper, post-its and sticky<BR>> dots...!) - can we start writing about ideas on the list now? Can<BR>> someone write to the list and
explain the change of use? I'm happy to<BR>> do that, if people think it's a good plan still. Could be a good way of<BR>> brainstorming stuff...<BR>><BR>> love to y'all (lots of it)<BR>><BR>> Dan<BR>> ----<BR>><BR>> fabian wrote:<BR>><BR>>> hello you hard debating lot from Tarifa....<BR>>> I just wanted to make a proposal for tonights meeting to call the new<BR>>> space M.A.T.I.L.D.A which stands for<BR>>> Massive Alternative Terrain of Insurection, Love and Direct Action<BR>>><BR>>> have fun you filthy radicals<BR>>><BR>>> Fabian<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Am 19.06.2005 um 22:30 schrieb julie w:<BR>>><BR>>>> Hey kids,<BR>>>><BR>>>> Meeting 7pm at Convergence Centre (Old yourkshire arts space, matilda<BR>>>> rd) on monday (the 20th) 'The Future of this Space' (ie are we going<BR>>>> to keep an activist/community/art/party space going
here)<BR>>>> then from 8.30 G8 in Scotland - lovely plans - transport, meeting<BR>>>> for action etc<BR>>>> See you there!<BR>>>> Julie xxx<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> _______________________________________________<BR>>>> http://www.sheffield.dissent.org.uk/<BR>>>> http://wiki.sheffieldsocialforum.org.uk/G8<BR>>>> g8-sheffield mailing list<BR>>>> g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR>>>> http://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/g8-sheffield<BR>>>><BR>>><BR>>> _______________________________________________<BR>>> http://www.sheffield.dissent.org.uk/<BR>>> http://wiki.sheffieldsocialforum.org.uk/G8<BR>>> g8-sheffield mailing list<BR>>> g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR>>> http://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/g8-sheffield<BR>><BR>><BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>>
http://www.sheffield.dissent.org.uk/<BR>> http://wiki.sheffieldsocialforum.org.uk/G8<BR>> g8-sheffield mailing list<BR>> g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR>> http://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/g8-sheffield<BR>><BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 7<BR>Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:45:05 +0000<BR>From: "zerosevenfour two" <ZEROSEVENFOURTWO@HOTMAIL.CO.UK><BR>Subject: [g8-sheffield] and now for something nice from 0742..<BR>To: g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org, adam@diamat.org.uk,<BR>amparo.gutierrez@tiscali.co.uk, Angeltime@btopenworld.com,<BR>chris@aktivix.org, c.malins@sheffield.ac.uk,<BR>colette_cameron@yahoo.co.uk, dan@aktivix.org, deacondave@onetel.com,<BR>fab@in-no.org, johncsmith@btinternet.com, machinevman@hotmail.com,<BR>matthewtrevelyan@hotmail.com, rosehodgson@lycos.com,<BR>sheffield@indymedia.org, ssf@lists.aktivix.org<BR>Message-ID: <BAY21-F6EB04536170F3DE3C60C999E80@PHX.GBL><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed<BR><BR>well
befor i go ill send you all love with this <BR>http://peace.lowtech.org/g8/index.html a shourt film made over the days of <BR>g8 edited sunday monday html other bits tuesday hope you enjoy hope to have <BR>them showing here in the uk at sharow festival watch this space.. if there <BR>are any people up for some cleaning 2 morow wed from 12 noon then e mail of <BR>list if you are comeing ring the bell of course we will be slow in our reply <BR>oh slow summer days what a 2 weeks that has been oh the joy anger fear and <BR>then matilda come alive nice one fab for the name..<BR><BR>0742<BR><BR>_________________________________________________________________<BR>Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! <BR>http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters<BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>http://www.sheffield.dissent.org.uk/<BR>http://wiki.sheffieldsocialforum.org.uk/G8<BR>g8-sheffield mailing
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