<DIV>Thanks Dave. George Galloway mentioned that the DSEI arms fair takes place in what is now his constituency and that there most certainly would be a major mobilisation for it.</DIV>
<DIV>Ian <BR><BR><B><I>g8-sheffield-request@lists.aktivix.org</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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http://www.dissent.org.uk/content/view/90/66/<BR><BR>Thanks!!!<BR><BR><BR>--<BR>http://dissent.org.uk/content/view/90/66/<BR><BR>__________________________________________________<BR>Do You Yahoo!?<BR>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around <BR>http://mail.yahoo.com <BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 2<BR>Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 21:41:27 +0100 (BST)<BR>From: jgibbon@wimbledon.ac.uk<BR>Subject: Re: [g8-sheffield] Closing the list<BR>To: "Dave Havard" <DEACONDAVE@ONETEL.COM><BR>Cc: g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR>Message-ID:<BR><1346.81.159.133.200.1120077687.squirrel@ssl.wimbledon.ac.uk><BR>Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1<BR><BR>great idea - I'm planning to go to DSEi along with afew others<BR><BR>Jill<BR><BR>>><BR>> I would propose that this list be kept open to organise for DSEI, the<BR>> arms fair in London which begins on 11 Sep<BR>> http://www.dsei.org/<BR>> since this is the logical next
mobilisation after the G8.<BR>><BR>> In peace,<BR>> Dave<BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> http://www.sheffield.dissent.org.uk/<BR>> http://wiki.sheffieldsocialforum.org.uk/G8<BR>> g8-sheffield mailing list<BR>> g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR>> http://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/g8-sheffield<BR>><BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 3<BR>Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:14:25 +0100<BR>From: "sheffjeff" <SHEFFJEFF@BEEB.NET><BR>Subject: Re: [g8-sheffield] Closing the list<BR>To: "Dave Havard" <DEACONDAVE@ONETEL.COM>,<BR><G8-SHEFFIELD@LISTS.AKTIVIX.ORG><BR>Message-ID: <00b001c57cf7$e9dd7be0$704a30d5@pbncomputer><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR><BR>YES!<BR>The DSEi London fayre would be a brilliant focus and only happens every 2<BR>years<BR>People who were not interested could always unsubscribe<BR>Sheffjeff<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Dave Havard"
<DEACONDAVE@ONETEL.COM><BR>To: <G8-SHEFFIELD@LISTS.AKTIVIX.ORG><BR>Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 7:36 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [g8-sheffield] Closing the list<BR><BR><BR>> jgibbon@wimbledon.ac.uk wrote:<BR>><BR>> >Dan suggested, maybe we shouldn't close this list after the G8. I agree -<BR>> >this seems a really useful small scale forum for local dissent.<BR>> >Lets at least leave it open for afew weeks after the G8 to discuss what<BR>> >happens in Scotland.<BR>> ><BR>> >Jill<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> I would propose that this list be kept open to organise for DSEI, the<BR>> arms fair in London which begins on 11 Sep<BR>> http://www.dsei.org/<BR>> since this is the logical next mobilisation after the G8.<BR>><BR>> In peace,<BR>> Dave<BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> http://www.sheffield.dissent.org.uk/<BR>> http://wiki.sheffieldsocialforum.org.uk/G8<BR>> g8-sheffield
mailing list<BR>> g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR>> http://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/g8-sheffield<BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 4<BR>Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 00:08:32 +0100<BR>From: adriana <HJDSMDR@MIXMAIL.COM><BR>Subject: [g8-sheffield] legal stuff on wiki<BR>To: g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR>Message-ID: <42C329F0.4080906@mixmail.com><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<BR><BR>http://wiki.sheffieldsocialforum.org.uk/Legal_Stuff<BR><BR>Some useful info added: please check if interested in actions against <BR>the police following g8 arrests<BR><BR>Best wishes for those travelling to Scotland.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>-- <BR>"Porque o único sentido oculto das cousas <BR>É elas não terem sentido oculto nenhum" (A. Caeiro)<BR><BR>http://www.sheffield.dissent.org.uk/<BR>http://wiki.sheffieldsocialforum.org.uk/G8<BR>g8-sheffield mailing
list<BR>g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR>http://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/g8-sheffield<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 5<BR>Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 00:24:03 +0100<BR>From: Dan <DAN@AKTIVIX.ORG><BR>Subject: [g8-sheffield] SWPie<BR>To: G8 Sheffield <G8-SHEFFIELD@LISTS.AKTIVIX.ORG><BR>Message-ID: <42C32D93.2020305@aktivix.org><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<BR><BR>Hmm,<BR><BR>The SWP is a difficult issue for me. It's perhaps best out in the open: <BR>I still hold the SWP responsible for undermining the local social forum <BR>movement in the UK. In the run-up to the (SWP-dominated) European <BR>Social Forum in the UK, the SWP (having previously decided not to work <BR>with local social forums) set up their own network, called 'UK ESF <BR>mobilising committees' rather than contact and work with existing local <BR>social forums - even though, for example, I personally wrote to SWP <BR>members, including Alex
Callinicos, asking him to make contact with us. <BR>Neither did the ESF support space for local social forums to organise - <BR>we had to sort that out ourselves, even though we'd tried to arrange it.<BR><BR>The result was a lot of local confusion. I still don't really <BR>understand what the reasoning behind all that was. There are all the <BR>cliches about 'the SWP not being able to control the social forums', but <BR>given what we've been hearing about SWP members being free to act, that <BR>seems a little wierd. I find it hard to believe that the caricatures <BR>are true.<BR><BR>I would, now at least, like to believe we could move forward - but I <BR>confess I'm nervous. I am still working to try and get the Sheffield <BR>Social Forum going again, but the whole ESF shebang knocked it for six a <BR>bit. A quick search on the internet reveals that this has happened <BR>before with the SWP, and that seems a shame. I'm wondering whether I'm <BR>suffering from an awful prejudice and
- as Ian says - would be willing <BR>to talk about it.<BR><BR>The best idea seems to actually work on an event together, rather than <BR>debate on a list. By their fruits shall ye know them, after all. If we <BR>in Sheffield could accomplish a broad-based event - of any kind - it <BR>could be a big step forward. Been to a meeting tonight, and it reminded <BR>me of how easy it is to slip into negativity when talking is all that's <BR>going on.<BR><BR>The optimism of the action is better than the pessimism of the thought, <BR>after all. What say you, Ian? I know that the regional organiser lives <BR>next door to a good friend of mine. Maybe I should pop round for a cup <BR>of tea...? Bearing in mind that, at the first sight of anyone trying to <BR>control the agenda or pack a meeting, I'd scream blue murder...!<BR><BR>love n peace n hippy nonsense<BR><BR>Dan<BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 6<BR>Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 00:45:09 +0100<BR>From: Dan
<DAN@AKTIVIX.ORG><BR>Subject: Re: [g8-sheffield] SWPie<BR>To: G8 Sheffield <G8-SHEFFIELD@LISTS.AKTIVIX.ORG><BR>Message-ID: <42C33285.2020601@aktivix.org><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<BR><BR>Can someone please work out some device that stops me writing e-mails <BR>when I'm drunk? Maybe getting so rdnku htta I catn tpey...?<BR><BR>:)<BR><BR>Dan wrote:<BR><BR>> Hmm,<BR>><BR>> The SWP is a difficult issue for me. It's perhaps best out in the <BR>> open: I still hold the SWP responsible for undermining the local <BR>> social forum movement in the UK. In the run-up to the (SWP-dominated) <BR>> European Social Forum in the UK, the SWP (having previously decided <BR>> not to work with local social forums) set up their own network, called <BR>> 'UK ESF mobilising committees' rather than contact and work with <BR>> existing local social forums - even though, for example, I personally <BR>> wrote to SWP members, including
Alex Callinicos, asking him to make <BR>> contact with us. Neither did the ESF support space for local social <BR>> forums to organise - we had to sort that out ourselves, even though <BR>> we'd tried to arrange it.<BR>><BR>> The result was a lot of local confusion. I still don't really <BR>> understand what the reasoning behind all that was. There are all the <BR>> cliches about 'the SWP not being able to control the social forums', <BR>> but given what we've been hearing about SWP members being free to act, <BR>> that seems a little wierd. I find it hard to believe that the <BR>> caricatures are true.<BR>><BR>> I would, now at least, like to believe we could move forward - but I <BR>> confess I'm nervous. I am still working to try and get the Sheffield <BR>> Social Forum going again, but the whole ESF shebang knocked it for six <BR>> a bit. A quick search on the internet reveals that this has happened <BR>> before with the SWP, and
that seems a shame. I'm wondering whether <BR>> I'm suffering from an awful prejudice and - as Ian says - would be <BR>> willing to talk about it.<BR>><BR>> The best idea seems to actually work on an event together, rather than <BR>> debate on a list. By their fruits shall ye know them, after all. If <BR>> we in Sheffield could accomplish a broad-based event - of any kind - <BR>> it could be a big step forward. Been to a meeting tonight, and it <BR>> reminded me of how easy it is to slip into negativity when talking is <BR>> all that's going on.<BR>><BR>> The optimism of the action is better than the pessimism of the <BR>> thought, after all. What say you, Ian? I know that the regional <BR>> organiser lives next door to a good friend of mine. Maybe I should <BR>> pop round for a cup of tea...? Bearing in mind that, at the first <BR>> sight of anyone trying to control the agenda or pack a meeting, I'd <BR>> scream blue
murder...!<BR>><BR>> love n peace n hippy nonsense<BR>><BR>> Dan<BR>><BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> http://www.sheffield.dissent.org.uk/<BR>> http://wiki.sheffieldsocialforum.org.uk/G8<BR>> g8-sheffield mailing list<BR>> g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR>> http://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/g8-sheffield<BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 7<BR>Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 01:33:08 +0100<BR>From: Alan Dawson <ALAND@BURNGREAVE.NET><BR>Subject: Re: [g8-sheffield] SWPie<BR>To: Dan <DAN@AKTIVIX.ORG><BR>Cc: G8 Sheffield <G8-SHEFFIELD@LISTS.AKTIVIX.ORG><BR>Message-ID: <1120091588.42c33dc47f9e2@springnight.burngreave.net><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<BR><BR>Quoting Dan <DAN@AKTIVIX.ORG>:<BR><BR>> Can someone please work out some device that stops me writing e-mails <BR>> when I'm drunk? Maybe getting so rdnku htta I catn tpey...?<BR>> <BR><BR>funny you should say that
... we were just discussing it in the pub a few<BR>minutes ago<BR><BR>Some sort of USB device you blow in before pressing send. Quick patent that<BR>idea.. perhaps it could use Bluetooth to connect to your phone or car or pc.<BR><BR>"A device and accompanying software to assess the competency and capability of<BR>an individual to use a piece of communications equipment by measuring their<BR>intoxication against a customisable range of responses"<BR><BR>hmm perhaps i need one too. Do the SWP have a view on Intellectual Property and<BR>Software Patents ? Other than its a symbol of the degeneration of late capital<BR>?<BR><BR>AED<BR>-- <BR>"If you make decisions about software -- or anything -- based solely on<BR>short-term cost and benefit, someone with a longer view can easily<BR>manoeuver you into a trap from which it is hard to escape." <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 8<BR>Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:25:22 +0100<BR>From: dougald hine
<WRITETODOUGALD@GMAIL.COM><BR>Subject: [g8-sheffield] phone number for paddy<BR>To: "List for organising protests at the G8 meeting in Sheffield."<BR><G8-SHEFFIELD@LISTS.AKTIVIX.ORG><BR>Message-ID: <A388B3B305063000253BEDD33A@MAIL.GMAIL.COM><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<BR><BR>Does anyone have a phone number for Paddy Gillett? I think he's en<BR>route to Scotland by bike - I wanted to get a quick interview with<BR>him. If you have it, can you email me off list?<BR><BR>Cheers,<BR>Dougald<BR><BR>-- <BR>Dougald Hine<BR>46 Alderson Road, Sheffield S2 4UD<BR>(+44)(0)7810 650213<BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 9<BR>Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:12:41 +0100<BR>From: Chris Malins <CHRISMALINS@GMAIL.COM><BR>Subject: [g8-sheffield] Police and protest<BR>To: zerosevenfour two <ZEROSEVENFOURTWO@HOTMAIL.CO.UK><BR>Cc: g8-sheffield@lists.aktivix.org<BR>Message-ID: <42C3B789.60100@gmail.com><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1;
format=flowed<BR><BR>Hello all,<BR><BR>There's an academic Dave Waddington at Hallam looking to interview <BR>people about protest and the police with regard to the G8 in Sheffield. <BR>I suggested Moses and ACAB might have interesting perspectives, and he's <BR>trying to get hold of Lesley. His email address is <BR>d.p.waddington@shu.ac.uk, if anyone thinks they might be able to help <BR>him out, especially the three mentioned.<BR><BR>Chris<BR><BR>zerosevenfour two wrote:<BR>> yes there seems to good debate.. i come across the mph artical due to this<BR>> <BR>> On Monday, June 27th, Indymedia Bristol's server was seized by the <BR>> police. An Indymedia volunteer was arrested during the raid on suspicion <BR>> of incitement to criminal damage. He is now on bail<BR>> <BR>> Bristol Indymedia say: "We are outraged at the actions of the police. <BR>> They have completely disabled the entire Bristol Indymedia news service. <BR>> By their actions they have
undermined the principle of open publishing <BR>> and free access to the media, thereby removing people's opportunity to <BR>> read and report their own news. This situation has serious implications <BR>> for anyone providing a news service on the Internet. We do not intend to <BR>> let this stop us from continuing the project."<BR>> <BR>> however in the mist of this i was copying all the content of indymedia <BR>> to back up etc.. you see wht you do not reed..<BR>> <BR>> yes dan it might be cool to keep this list going for debate and use <BR>> matilda for such resurch..<BR>> <BR>> however my head is elsewhere due to indymedia server snach etc.. the g8 <BR>> looming and a need to keep real news going dureing the events..<BR>> <BR>> 0742<BR>> <BR>> _________________________________________________________________<BR>> Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends <BR>> http://messenger.msn.co.uk<BR>> <BR>>
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