[hackspacebristol] Need some advice about installing network cable in a new house

Paul Maddox yo at vacoloco.net
Sun Jun 30 10:24:38 UTC 2013


It's not a DIY job until you've used a hammer.



On 30 June 2013 11:16, David Stewart <captain.vice at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks you for all the replies - I have a far better idea of what to do
> now.
>
> And I promise I wont use a hammer in the installation.....
>
> Scottish Dave
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 12:29 AM, Jon Dowling <chocojon at blueyonder.co.uk>wrote:
>
>> Here's my 1.5p:
>> In my house, I have 6 sockets in each of the downstairs rooms (3 rooms)
>> and 4 sockets in each of the upstairs room (3 rooms). I've found that to be
>> easily enough. Maybe a little overkill but it does mean lots of
>> possibilities for connections.
>> All of the cables (Cat 5e) lead to my "server room" which is actually the
>> cupboard under the stairs. It houses the cable modem (on all the time), the
>> router (also on all the time) and a GB switch to receive lots of the cables
>> (also on all the time). There are two NAS boxes in there which are turned
>> on when the demand arises (i.e. rarely). It has worked out pretty well for
>> me so far. Quite a lot of my cabling goes behind the skirting boards
>> (Victorian house) and occasionally under the floorboards. The router has
>> wireless N so that the attic appliances can connect if needed to.
>>
>> Paul's idea is good and quite likely better than my original setup. I
>> have partially moved to a GB switch in the room which connects to a wall
>> socket which then goes down to the server cupboard. This way, there is only
>> one cable that leads round the house to the cupboard rather than one per
>> machine in a room. There have been a few issues with some of the cables and
>> I think that a switch per room is a way to improve this situation of mine.
>> A switch per floor allows for a better routing of cables and adaptability
>> of the entire network.
>>
>> I know people who have used Powerline (or similar adapters). Bear in mind
>> that their rating is absolute maximums over ideal wiring. For best
>> transmission rates you do need to observe the following:
>> - You are unlikely to get the maximum rate, even on a new build, but you
>> can get close
>> - You need to plug in the adapter into the ring main - going via a 4 gang
>> socket (or similar) will reduce throughput.
>> - Going between ring mains (i.e. floors or similar) is likely to reduce
>> throughput.
>>  - Activating high power devices can cause you to drop the signal and
>> re-negotiation would need to happen. Things like microwaves, kettles,
>> dishwashers, washing machines, tumble driers, etc.
>> - Neighbours electricity usage can affect throughput too...
>> Having said all that, you can get fairly reliable connections and they
>> are (nowadays) pretty easy to set up. The main issue is cost for decent
>> kit. You might be able to find decent, cheap kit but I'd still lean towards
>> cables.
>>
>> I'd recommend NAS boxes to be put in a place with relatively good
>> ventilation if on 24/7 and in a room that isn't used too much (if you care
>> about noise output). A switch per room means you can easily add more
>> devices (get a bigger switch if you need more sockets) but does add to the
>> cost. I would recommend two sockets per room (in case one fails), using
>> trunking (so you can take more cables through if you need to) and Cat 6
>> cables to be able to cope with high bandwidth applications. More details
>> can be discussed later on, if you want.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>> On 29 June 2013 18:52, Patrick Neave <patrick at neavey.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Thats pretty much what I did when we had the extension built. I had cat5
>>> routed to one socket in each room, they all meet in the garage in an 8-port
>>> switch. I suggest using cat6e, but I am not sure there is any advantage in
>>> running two cables, though why not I suppose. This gives Gb ethernet
>>> throughout the house (great for backing up to the server and streaming
>>> video from NAS to PS3) but as my broadband is only 60Mb it doesn’t make
>>> much difference there. I still need WiFi for iPads, smart phones and for
>>> the areas without a wired connection.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29 Jun 2013, at 15:03, Paul Maddox <yo at vacoloco.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dave,
>>>
>>>  Commonly things are done like this...
>>> for each floor, run the cables from each room to a single point.
>>> This single point would normally be a switch of some kind.
>>>
>>> for each switch on each floor, you'd connect cables between them.  You
>>> don't have to have a switch on each floor, you could just have
>>> 'inter-floor' patching.
>>>
>>> on one of the floors you'd have your server(s) and any access.
>>>
>>> Much like this -
>>> http://electronicdesign.com/site-files/electronicdesign.com/files/archive/electronicdesign.com/content/content/73617/73617_fig01_inline.gif
>>>
>>> that can be a bit of overkill, but a lot depends on what your planned
>>> usage is over the time you intend to be in the place.
>>>
>>> Personally I'd run at least two CAT5s (or CAT6e if you can) to every
>>> room in the house... typically I'd take 4 to each room.
>>> Why so much? well, you'll always need "just one more" and the time it
>>> takes to lay 4 cables is not much more than the time it takes to lay 1 or
>>> 2.
>>>
>>> For home use, you may get away with just running all the cables to a
>>> single place, but it's far less flexible.. and where-ever you run them to
>>> make sure you have adequate power, telephone point and ventilation
>>> (electronics do like to breath).
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29 June 2013 11:07, David Stewart <captain.vice at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Friends of mine are about to embark on construction of their own home
>>>> and have asked me about the best way to install network cable around the
>>>> house.
>>>>
>>>> My first rhought is to run a couple of cat 6 cables to each room
>>>> through the walls, all leading back to a hub/switch somewhere central in
>>>> the new house. Maybe get some wall plates to keep everything tidy.
>>>>
>>>> Is this a good approach ? I'd really welcome any suggestions on the
>>>> best way to proceed (or what to avoid !)
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Scottish Dave
>>>>
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