thanks everyone for your input i know that this is bad but i created a google spreadsheet for other networks to input into this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlkNBysruIUXdE14TzQ2YXpYaEtaSDcyM2ktV3MybEE i think that there are some interesting new tools there. nice one again - i appreciate the help mick