[HacktionLab] Ethical Manufacture & Laptop / Computer usage

Wed Aug 6 13:56:29 UTC 2014

two subject/question (answers/advice/direct debate welcome)

1. Manufacture: Chat welcome about ethical manufacture, do you think 
it's possible with it being a kind of paradox or catch-22 (the chat 
could start like "mass producing/manufacturing/distributing computers 
can never come close to being ethical)

2. Y(our) Computer usage: Do you have problems with the amount of time 
you use computers? (the chat could start how computers are not 
completely bad, just that with a lot of good and ability to do so much 
actually a lot of unwanted stuff comes in to play....
  - on one side the time and electricity + physical structure + 
consumption (locally or globally) and
  - on the other side we (or just I) are in these little loops where we 
love it (downloading, research, collecting, archiving, observing, 
discussing, commenting, translating, refining, etc etc) but the end 
steps or the end part (such completing a project and releasing our 
little trinkets) and realising it with people who are also behind a 
computer is perhaps something we know less how to do. So the beginning 
and middle part of the project cycle/computer usage is done perhaps 
really quickly and well (and we love it, perhaps get off on it) but 
completing and doing perhaps the last bits, the last couple of yards 
becomes not as easy or practice and perhaps skipped altogether.
- Another sub point is the question: What reliable ways do computers 
provide to get people together in person in your opinion... some I could 
guess but maybe it's not just a social networking site. The chat could 
be assuming I'm also behind a computer a lot so in our lifetimes less 
and less chance we will meet (but increasing perhaps our chances of 
chatting more).... so what is the way to come out of these loops and 
consider it in your reply to be more like habit, an addiction (watching 
movies, downloading, researching) and also how computers do something 
well directly but perhaps not the upper stages of development...?

Thanks chaps.
x

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>     1. Re: Conflict minerals [was: Re: How t buy a laptop that will
>        work with Linux] (Sikes)
>     2. Re: How t buy a laptop that will work with Linux
>        (sam at bristolwireless.net)
>     3. Re: Conflict minerals [was: Re: How t buy a laptop that will
>        work with Linux] (Ben Green)
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> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 13:05:29 +0200 (CEST)
> From: Sikes <sikes at squat.net>
> To: mark <mark at aktivix.org>
> Cc: "hacktionlab at lists.aktivix.org" <hacktionlab at lists.aktivix.org>
> Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] Conflict minerals [was: Re: How t buy a
> 	laptop that will work with Linux]
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> HAI
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> On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, mark wrote:
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>> Whenever people talk to me about buying a computer, I encourage them
>> to think about what they really need, and whether their needs can be
>> met by a second hand machine rather than them being seduced by the
>> gloss of the new.
> Apart from the minerals and similar issues: when I bought my laptop new,
> I encountered various issues with drivers for the hardware that were not
> yet available in the distro I use (had to build my own kernel, get
> drivers from manufacturers sites etc)
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> When I reinstalled the box recently, all those drivers were available out
> of the distros repository.
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> Bottom line being:  using a second hand machine 2+ years old is much
> easier if you plan to run ubuntu/debian ...
>
> kizziz
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>> If anyone has any up-to-date reports / authoritative stats on social
>> and environmental impact of ICT, please share, as my references on
>> this are a few years old now.
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>> Thanks,
>> Mark
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> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 12:01:21 +0100
> From: sam at bristolwireless.net
> To: U <us2cool at gmail.com>
> Cc: hacktionlab at lists.aktivix.org
> Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] How t buy a laptop that will work with
> 	Linux
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> It might be worth cross referencing your choice against the Epeat
> site, they look at these things when ranking:
> http://www.epeat.net/resources/criteria/#tabs-1=pcanddisplays
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> Nothing about the social/working conditions of employees however..
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> This is the search for UK laptops that meet their gold standard
> http://ww2.epeat.net/publicsearchresults.aspx?stdid=1&return=searchoptions&epeatcountryid=37&rating=3&ProductType=3
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> Dell seem to do well..
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> 2p
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> Quoting U <us2cool at gmail.com>:
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>> Thanks for the BDS link, I think that's important to consider (though we
>> must bare in mind that the supply chains for basically all of these
>> manufacturers link to conflict minerals such as tugsten and coltan etc from
>> places like the Congo).
>>
>> I have a Clevo W230S, a custom gaming laptop that you can get from places
>> like overclockers, pcspecialist. I dual boot Ubuntu (and Mac actually) and
>> they run fine (mac not as well as linux). I'd not have recommended a custom
>> laptop before but I've had this since last October and it's really
>> fantastic for the money. Also really love not having any logo on my machine.
>>
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>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:03 AM, mark <mark at aktivix.org> wrote:
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>>> On 05/08/14 19:11, mp wrote:
>>>> HP 255 G1 Laptop with Ubuntu
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>>>> AMD Dual Core E1 4GB RAM + 750GB HDD 15.6" Screen Webcam +
>>>> Bluetooth AMD Radeon? HD 7310 Graphics
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/620311-hp-255-g1-laptop-with-ubuntu-h6q17ea-abu
>>>>
>>>>   ?199.98 inc. vat
>>> I wouldn't buy one of them. The BDS movement has called for a boycott
>>> of HP. Not that I'm telling anyone what not to buy, but I thought
>>> y'all might like to know.
>>>
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>>> http://www.bdsmovement.net/2014/freedom-and-justice-for-gaza-boycott-action-against-7-complicit-companies-12386
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>>>
>>> Mark
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> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 12:13:46 +0100
> From: Ben Green <ben at bristolwireless.net>
> To: hacktionlab at lists.aktivix.org
> Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] Conflict minerals [was: Re: How t buy a
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> Quoting mark <mark at aktivix.org>:
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>> Whenever people talk to me about buying a computer, I encourage them
>> to think about what they really need, and whether their needs can be
>> met by a second hand machine rather than them being seduced by the
>> gloss of the new. Keeping old machines in use seems like the best way
>> I can find to undermine the trade in conflict minerals, and to
>> undermine consumerism generally. Free software is a great enabler for
>> this.
> Aye to all that. However, there's times when newer technology makes
> much more sense. When buying new, lets make low power consumption,
> build quality, ethical manufacture and Free software support our
> priorities.
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> Cheers,
> Ben
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