<div dir="ltr">That's quite lovely. Good luck!<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 9 May 2015 at 07:00, Yo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nowisthetime@riseup.net" target="_blank">nowisthetime@riseup.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Well bye for now folks...<br>
I hope you keep rocking the nice stuff and at the same time say that after years of personal experience I realise really how far computing can get us :) And while it does a lot fast, it's limited in many ways... or can be maximise only by the few. Good beginner or light use benefits but maybe not higher up in the levels/scale... consumption/distractions/attraction/education of it etc..<br>
Also a phrase I think I came up with...<br>
"Control always wants more control..."<br>
"Computing always wants ..."<br>
(well I couldn't think of anything but I'm sure there's one out there!)<br>
<br>
Thought the control wanting control was a good though and in computing it seems to be inherent / consistent of something similar...<br>
<br>
Perhaps also the human behavioural pattern of the usage of it, the maintenance, precautions and again the human the perspective of it - it's constantly in the past (or not live), the connection methods all generally resulting in more computing... more and before anything else... I'm sure there might be some case when it's not - but none come to mind...<br>
<br>
so I'm really happy to hear of another Hacktionlab gig and in no way should things be seen as a downer... perhaps it's all re-creation of sorts... delete everything, start again.<br>
<br>
Often the text on screen has made me glow inside, but after a while I realised I need to find something more. People more together makes me feel warm inside..<br>
(oh no wait that's the laptop under my palms and the gamma brightness to my eyes... must remember to turn it down and put a short-cut to do that on startup!)...<br>
<br>
I'd like to write more but I think I already did... and always did...<br>
Hope that was a nice read for you all, wall, tall, hall, call, paul, hall, ball, yall<br>
User disconnected...<br>
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1. BarnCamp - are you coming? workshops and promotion. (Mike Harris)<br>
2. Re: BarnCamp - are you coming? workshops and promotion.<br>
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4. Re: BarnCamp - are you coming? workshops and promotion.<br>
(Michael Reinsborough)<br>
5. Re: BarnCamp - are you coming? workshops and promotion.<br>
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6. Panel debate at BarnCamp (Mike Harris)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 15:14:23 +0100<br>
From: Mike Harris<<a href="mailto:mike@mbharris.co.uk" target="_blank">mike@mbharris.co.uk</a>><br>
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Subject: [HacktionLab] BarnCamp - are you coming? workshops and<br>
promotion.<br>
Message-ID:<<a href="mailto:554B733F.6020705@mbharris.co.uk" target="_blank">554B733F.6020705@mbharris.co.uk</a>><br>
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Hi All,<br>
<br>
Me again to say that if you are going to come to BarnCamp then please,<br>
please do sign up as we need to plan for numbers and decide on what's<br>
worth doing and how to do it. So if you haven't got around to it,<br>
please do.<br>
<br>
<a href="https://www.barncamp.org.uk" target="_blank">https://www.barncamp.org.uk</a><br>
<br>
Also, if do have a workshop proposal, and there are many we've had<br>
before which were good, so feel free to do it again, then do send them<br>
<a href="mailto:tobarncamp2015@hacktionlab.net" target="_blank">tobarncamp2015@hacktionlab.net</a> or put on the wiki page<br>
<a href="https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/BarnCamp_2015_ideas_scratchpad" target="_blank">https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/BarnCamp_2015_ideas_scratchpad</a><br>
and drop us and email as well. Thanks.<br>
<br>
Oh and if you haven't, do please promote it where you can. Here's a<br>
basic flyer in various formats to help with this:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/File:Bc2015-flyer.odp" target="_blank">https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/File:Bc2015-flyer.odp</a><br>
<a href="https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/File:Barncamp2015.xcf" target="_blank">https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/File:Barncamp2015.xcf</a><br>
<a href="https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/File:Barncamp2015.png" target="_blank">https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/File:Barncamp2015.png</a><br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Mike.<br>
<br>
<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 15:00:42 +0000<br>
From: Michael Reinsborough<<a href="mailto:m.reinsborough@qub.ac.uk" target="_blank">m.reinsborough@qub.ac.uk</a>><br>
To: Mike Harris<<a href="mailto:mike@mbharris.co.uk" target="_blank">mike@mbharris.co.uk</a>>,"<a href="mailto:hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org" target="_blank">hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org</a>"<br>
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Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] BarnCamp - are you coming? workshops and<br>
promotion.<br>
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Hi Mike,<br>
<br>
I'm hoping to come to BarnCamp. I would like to do a workshop on neuroscience & computing- the EU is currently investing significant amounts of it's computer science research budget (1BillionEuro over ten years) to develop computing technologies for and from neuroscience- so neuroinformatics (High Performance Computing for processing of biological data from brains), new algorithms to search through big data haystacks for small data needles, neuroinformatic chips (new algorithm processing chips copied from the brains of mice), future social technologies for managing people, new robotics and artificial intelligence technologies ('brain-like' machines) that do everything from financial trading for hedge funds to automate military technologies (smart missiles, drone assassinations, etc). I had someone who might be a bit more techy than me that might have been able to get us access to a neuromorphic chip but I don't think the timing fits her schedule so mostly the workshop would ju<br>
st be<br>
discussion of the political implications of computer science turning to biology to patent what mother nature has already invented - no actual brain surgery or computing involved.<br>
<br>
If that would be interesting to anyone I would be happy to bring a workshop. And also good to see everyone again and always happy to drink beer, wake up in the Wye Valley!<br>
<br>
Michael<br>
<br>
<br>
_________________<br>
From: HacktionLab<<a href="mailto:hacktionlab-bounces@lists.aktivix.org" target="_blank">hacktionlab-bounces@lists.aktivix.org</a>> on behalf of Mike Harris<<a href="mailto:mike@mbharris.co.uk" target="_blank">mike@mbharris.co.uk</a>><br>
Sent: 07 May 2015 15:14<br>
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Subject: [HacktionLab] BarnCamp - are you coming? workshops and promotion.<br>
<br>
Hi All,<br>
<br>
Me again to say that if you are going to come to BarnCamp then please,<br>
please do sign up as we need to plan for numbers and decide on what's<br>
worth doing and how to do it. So if you haven't got around to it,<br>
please do.<br>
<br>
<a href="https://www.barncamp.org.uk" target="_blank">https://www.barncamp.org.uk</a><br>
<br>
Also, if do have a workshop proposal, and there are many we've had<br>
before which were good, so feel free to do it again, then do send them<br>
<a href="mailto:tobarncamp2015@hacktionlab.net" target="_blank">tobarncamp2015@hacktionlab.net</a> or put on the wiki page<br>
<a href="https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/BarnCamp_2015_ideas_scratchpad" target="_blank">https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/BarnCamp_2015_ideas_scratchpad</a><br>
and drop us and email as well. Thanks.<br>
<br>
Oh and if you haven't, do please promote it where you can. Here's a<br>
basic flyer in various formats to help with this:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/File:Bc2015-flyer.odp" target="_blank">https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/File:Bc2015-flyer.odp</a><br>
<a href="https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/File:Barncamp2015.xcf" target="_blank">https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/File:Barncamp2015.xcf</a><br>
<a href="https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/File:Barncamp2015.png" target="_blank">https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/File:Barncamp2015.png</a><br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Mike.<br>
<br>
<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 17:08:35 +0200<br>
From: ekes<<a href="mailto:ekes@aktivix.org" target="_blank">ekes@aktivix.org</a>><br>
<a href="mailto:To%3Ahacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org" target="_blank">To:hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] BarnCamp - are you coming? workshops and<br>
promotion.<br>
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On 07/05/15 16:14, Mike Harris wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Oh and if you haven't, do please promote it where you can.<br>
</blockquote>
Oh look, I remembered to put in on Radar ;-)<br>
<br>
<a href="https://radar.squat.net/en/event/lower-wye-valley/barncamp/2015-06-19/barncamp-2015" target="_blank">https://radar.squat.net/en/event/lower-wye-valley/barncamp/2015-06-19/barncamp-2015</a><br>
<br>
If someone wants to take/access the BarnCamp group, or add a Hacktionlab<br>
one, mail me (<a href="mailto:orradar@squat.net" target="_blank">orradar@squat.net</a> naturally).<br>
<br>
ekes<br>
<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 15:17:59 +0000<br>
From: Michael Reinsborough<<a href="mailto:m.reinsborough@qub.ac.uk" target="_blank">m.reinsborough@qub.ac.uk</a>><br>
To:"<a href="mailto:hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org" target="_blank">hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org" target="_blank">hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] BarnCamp - are you coming? workshops and<br>
promotion.<br>
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<br>
Also...<br>
<br>
Is anyone driving from London? I would be happy to get a lift and contribute to the car pool fund.<br>
Please let me know :)<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
_________________<br>
From: HacktionLab<<a href="mailto:hacktionlab-bounces@lists.aktivix.org" target="_blank">hacktionlab-bounces@lists.aktivix.org</a>> on behalf of Mike Harris<<a href="mailto:mike@mbharris.co.uk" target="_blank">mike@mbharris.co.uk</a>><br>
Sent: 07 May 2015 15:14<br>
<a href="mailto:To%3Ahacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org" target="_blank">To:hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org</a><br>
Subject: [HacktionLab] BarnCamp - are you coming? workshops and promotion.<br>
<br>
Hi All,<br>
<br>
Me again to say that if you are going to come to BarnCamp then please,<br>
please do sign up as we need to plan for numbers and decide on what's<br>
worth doing and how to do it. So if you haven't got around to it,<br>
please do.<br>
<br>
<a href="https://www.barncamp.org.uk" target="_blank">https://www.barncamp.org.uk</a><br>
<br>
Also, if do have a workshop proposal, and there are many we've had<br>
before which were good, so feel free to do it again, then do send them<br>
<a href="mailto:tobarncamp2015@hacktionlab.net" target="_blank">tobarncamp2015@hacktionlab.net</a> or put on the wiki page<br>
<a href="https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/BarnCamp_2015_ideas_scratchpad" target="_blank">https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/BarnCamp_2015_ideas_scratchpad</a><br>
and drop us and email as well. Thanks.<br>
<br>
Oh and if you haven't, do please promote it where you can. Here's a<br>
basic flyer in various formats to help with this:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/File:Bc2015-flyer.odp" target="_blank">https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/File:Bc2015-flyer.odp</a><br>
<a href="https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/File:Barncamp2015.xcf" target="_blank">https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/File:Barncamp2015.xcf</a><br>
<a href="https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/File:Barncamp2015.png" target="_blank">https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/File:Barncamp2015.png</a><br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Mike.<br>
<br>
<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 17:09:06 +0100<br>
From: Mike Harris<<a href="mailto:mike@mbharris.co.uk" target="_blank">mike@mbharris.co.uk</a>><br>
To: Michael Reinsborough<<a href="mailto:m.reinsborough@qub.ac.uk" target="_blank">m.reinsborough@qub.ac.uk</a>><br>
Cc:"<a href="mailto:hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org" target="_blank">hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org" target="_blank">hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] BarnCamp - are you coming? workshops and<br>
promotion.<br>
Message-ID:<<a href="mailto:554B8E22.8050001@mbharris.co.uk" target="_blank">554B8E22.8050001@mbharris.co.uk</a>><br>
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Hi Michael,<br>
<br>
Excellent, thanks. So you happy for us to put your workshop up there?<br>
Just let me know how long you'll need for it and what resources you'll<br>
need (in terms of flip chart, pens, projector, speakers).<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Mike.<br>
<br>
El 07/05/2015 a les 16:00, Michael Reinsborough ha escrit:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi Mike,<br>
<br>
I'm hoping to come to BarnCamp. I would like to do a workshop on neuroscience & computing- the EU is currently investing significant amounts of it's computer science research budget (1BillionEuro over ten years) to develop computing technologies for and from neuroscience- so neuroinformatics (High Performance Computing for processing of biological data from brains), new algorithms to search through big data haystacks for small data needles, neuroinformatic chips (new algorithm processing chips copied from the brains of mice), future social technologies for managing people, new robotics and artificial intelligence technologies ('brain-like' machines) that do everything from financial trading for hedge funds to automate military technologies (smart missiles, drone assassinations, etc). I had someone who might be a bit more techy than me that might have been able to get us access to a neuromorphic chip but I don't think the timing fits her schedule so mostly the workshop would ju<br>
st<br>
</blockquote>
be discussion of the political implications of computer science turning to biology to patent what mother nature has already invented - no actual brain surgery or computing involved.<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
If that would be interesting to anyone I would be happy to bring a workshop. And also good to see everyone again and always happy to drink beer, wake up in the Wye Valley!<br>
<br>
Michael<br>
<br>
<br>
_________________<br>
From: HacktionLab<<a href="mailto:hacktionlab-bounces@lists.aktivix.org" target="_blank">hacktionlab-bounces@lists.aktivix.org</a>> on behalf of Mike Harris<<a href="mailto:mike@mbharris.co.uk" target="_blank">mike@mbharris.co.uk</a>><br>
Sent: 07 May 2015 15:14<br>
<a href="mailto:To%3Ahacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org" target="_blank">To:hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org</a><br>
Subject: [HacktionLab] BarnCamp - are you coming? workshops and promotion.<br>
<br>
Hi All,<br>
<br>
Me again to say that if you are going to come to BarnCamp then please,<br>
please do sign up as we need to plan for numbers and decide on what's<br>
worth doing and how to do it. So if you haven't got around to it,<br>
please do.<br>
<br>
<a href="https://www.barncamp.org.uk" target="_blank">https://www.barncamp.org.uk</a><br>
<br>
Also, if do have a workshop proposal, and there are many we've had<br>
before which were good, so feel free to do it again, then do send them<br>
<a href="mailto:tobarncamp2015@hacktionlab.net" target="_blank">tobarncamp2015@hacktionlab.net</a> or put on the wiki page<br>
<a href="https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/BarnCamp_2015_ideas_scratchpad" target="_blank">https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/BarnCamp_2015_ideas_scratchpad</a><br>
and drop us and email as well. Thanks.<br>
<br>
Oh and if you haven't, do please promote it where you can. Here's a<br>
basic flyer in various formats to help with this:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/File:Bc2015-flyer.odp" target="_blank">https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/File:Bc2015-flyer.odp</a><br>
<a href="https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/File:Barncamp2015.xcf" target="_blank">https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/File:Barncamp2015.xcf</a><br>
<a href="https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/File:Barncamp2015.png" target="_blank">https://hacktionlab.org/hacktionlab/index.php/File:Barncamp2015.png</a><br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Mike.<br>
<br>
<br>
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</blockquote>
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Message: 6<br>
Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 11:35:54 +0100<br>
From: Mike Harris<<a href="mailto:mike@mbharris.co.uk" target="_blank">mike@mbharris.co.uk</a>><br>
To:"<a href="mailto:hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org" target="_blank">hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org" target="_blank">hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org</a>><br>
Subject: [HacktionLab] Panel debate at BarnCamp<br>
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<br>
Hi All,<br>
<br>
Was thinking it might be interesting to organise some form of panel<br>
debate at this year's BarnCamp but I haven't got the time to do it.<br>
Anyone interested in taking this on? Anyone got any ideas for<br>
discussion topics?<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Mike.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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Message: 7<br>
Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 11:40:08 +0100<br>
From: Gareth Coleman<<a href="mailto:gareth@sublime.org" target="_blank">gareth@sublime.org</a>><br>
To:"<a href="mailto:hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org" target="_blank">hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org" target="_blank">hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] Panel debate at BarnCamp<br>
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I'd be happy to help marshal contributions to a discussion - how about<br>
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"who owns the internet" or "who owns your computer"<br>
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G<br>
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On 8 May 2015 at 11:35, Mike Harris<<a href="mailto:mike@mbharris.co.uk" target="_blank">mike@mbharris.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
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Hi All,<br>
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Was thinking it might be interesting to organise some form of panel<br>
debate at this year's BarnCamp but I haven't got the time to do it.<br>
Anyone interested in taking this on? Anyone got any ideas for<br>
discussion topics?<br>
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Cheers,<br>
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Mike.<br>
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