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<p>Hi Sean, <br>
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<p>I would absolutely love to chat with you about this, if you want
to reply off list. I am open to your viewpoint, clearly it is
working for you - I'm envious!</p>
<p>In my experience it's buggy as hell, new ones pop up with almost
every upgrade, and contributing bugfixes is well-nigh impossible
due to complexity of the development workflow - I've put in a few
simple and obvious PRs which never got accepted because every time
it was about to, the codebase had changed under it (yet the bug
remained).</p>
<p>These days i don't bother trying to fix bugs, which is a real
shame as I have the skills and the motivation to help other users
but I was put off by these experiences of wasting my and others'
time.</p>
<p>Importing donations is a total no-no - I had to write a module
just to do so, whilst Civi has an interface for importing them
which had options for all the things we wanted to do, it just
didn't do them.</p>
<p>Are your systems pretty simple? I get the impression that the
basic stuff might work OK, but if you try and do anything more
complex, it's like
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://twitter.com/computerfact/status/778271435357822980">https://twitter.com/computerfact/status/778271435357822980</a></p>
<p>Naomi<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13/10/16 20:49, sean wrote:<br>
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<div>"my time is spent fiddling about with CiviCRM, which you
should avoid at all costs."<br>
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hmm, I support 50+ civicrms, I wouldn't avoid it, if you're
running a busy organisation it does all the work <br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 13 October 2016 at 15:16, Kate
Dawson <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:k4t@3msg.es" target="_blank">k4t@3msg.es</a>></span>
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi world,<br>
<br>
If we're adverting our shops here then...<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://webarchitects.coop"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">webarchitects.coop</a>
are a workers cooperative providing hosting for<br>
all sorts of people, including activist organisations.<br>
We have a cooperative model that allow customers to become
members also,<br>
so they can become involved in decision making and
development<br>
directions.<br>
<br>
Hosting is based in the UK or Iceland, depending on costs,
and legal<br>
issues you think you may face.<br>
<br>
All hosting is based powered by "goodenergy" in the UK from
renewables or<br>
hydrothermal in Iceland.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Kate Dawson<br>
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On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 12:45:55PM +0100, Charlie Harvey
wrote:<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://ox4.org"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ox4.org</a>
does Drupal (6 & 7) hosting for activist and
community<br>
> groups, mostly in Oxford.<br>
><br>
> Its on a vm, which makes it less secure than some
other services against<br>
> cops or other state functionaries.<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
><br>
> On 13/10/16 12:17, Marcus Valentine wrote:<br>
> > Mike Harris and I run <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://xtreamlab.net/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://xtreamlab.net/</a>
for this kind of thing. We<br>
> > have a wordpress and drupal network installs.
Users who require minimal<br>
> > technical support get a good (ie cheap) deal.
If people require<br>
> > significant support we need to charge for our
time.<br>
> ><br>
> > Best<br>
> ><br>
> > Marcus<br>
> ><br>
> > On 13/10/2016 11:43, Brent wrote:<br>
> >> Hi<br>
> >><br>
> >> Good to see plans for barncamp, I enjoyed
the last; might come again.<br>
> >> Bit busy a the mo, but will look out for
jobs.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Hope it's ok if I throw a question out;<br>
> >><br>
> >> There's a couple of groups I know with
floundering websites/digital<br>
> >> lives. Is there any such thing as an
activist-friendly 'full service'<br>
> >> website provision (and, possibly, email
and mailing list)? I.e. the<br>
> >> administration over and above hosting, and
cheap, ticking<br>
> >> privacy/security boxes? Or perhaps
suitable, established professionals<br>
> >> to take on the admin with current hosting
setups. Perhaps a robot that<br>
> >> doesn't eat or pay bills :) The sites are
currently drupal, but I'm<br>
> >> thinking towards whatever.<br>
> >><br>
> >> I know it would be ideal to have more user
engagement, diy, volunteering<br>
> >> etc., and sure there's room for discussion
here- maybe this isn't a good<br>
> >> way to go- but realistically, I'm not
seeing the more informal<br>
> >> approaches working out sustainably, here
and other smallgroups. So<br>
> >> thought I'd ask around for options or
thoughts...<br>
> >><br>
> >> Thanks,<br>
> >> Brent<br>
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