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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">El 13/10/2016 a les 19:07, naomi ha
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      <p>Hi Sean, <br>
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      <p>I would absolutely love to chat with you about this, if you
        want to reply off list. I am open to your viewpoint, clearly it
        is working for you - I'm envious!</p>
      <p>In my experience it's buggy as hell, new ones pop up with
        almost every upgrade, and contributing bugfixes is well-nigh
        impossible due to complexity of the development workflow - I've
        put in a few simple and obvious PRs which never got accepted
        because every time it was about to, the codebase had changed
        under it (yet the bug remained).</p>
      <p>These days i don't bother trying to fix bugs, which is a real
        shame as I have the skills and the motivation to help other
        users but I was put off by these experiences of wasting my and
        others' time.</p>
      <p>Importing donations is a total no-no - I had to write a module
        just to do so, whilst Civi has an interface for importing them
        which had options for all the things we wanted to do, it just
        didn't do them.</p>
      <p>Are your systems pretty simple? I get the impression that the
        basic stuff might work OK, but if you try and do anything more
        complex, it's like <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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      <p>Naomi<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13/10/16 20:49, sean wrote:<br>
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          <div>"my time is spent fiddling about with CiviCRM, which you
            should avoid at all costs."<br>
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          hmm, I support 50+ civicrms, I wouldn't avoid it, if you're
          running a busy organisation it does all the work <br>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On 13 October 2016 at 15:16, Kate
            Dawson <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:k4t@3msg.es" target="_blank">k4t@3msg.es</a>></span>
            wrote:<br>
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              .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi
              world,<br>
              <br>
              If we're adverting our shops here then...<br>
              <br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://webarchitects.coop"
                rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">webarchitects.coop</a>
              are a workers cooperative providing hosting for<br>
              all sorts of people, including activist organisations.<br>
              We have a cooperative model that allow customers to become
              members also,<br>
              so they can become involved in decision making and
              development<br>
              directions.<br>
              <br>
              Hosting is based in the UK or Iceland, depending on costs,
              and legal<br>
              issues you think you may face.<br>
              <br>
              All hosting is based powered by "goodenergy" in the UK
              from renewables or<br>
              hydrothermal in Iceland.<br>
              <br>
              Regards,<br>
              <br>
              Kate Dawson<br>
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                  On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 12:45:55PM +0100, Charlie
                  Harvey wrote:<br>
                  > Hi,<br>
                  ><br>
                  > <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://ox4.org"
                    rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ox4.org</a>
                  does Drupal (6 & 7) hosting for activist and
                  community<br>
                  > groups, mostly in Oxford.<br>
                  ><br>
                  > Its on a vm, which makes it less secure than some
                  other services against<br>
                  > cops or other state functionaries.<br>
                  ><br>
                  > Cheers,<br>
                  ><br>
                  > On 13/10/16 12:17, Marcus Valentine wrote:<br>
                  > > Mike Harris and I run <a
                    moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://xtreamlab.net/"
                    rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://xtreamlab.net/</a>
                  for this kind of thing. We<br>
                  > > have a wordpress and drupal network
                  installs. Users who require minimal<br>
                  > > technical support get a good (ie cheap)
                  deal.  If people require<br>
                  > > significant support we need to charge for
                  our time.<br>
                  > ><br>
                  > > Best<br>
                  > ><br>
                  > > Marcus<br>
                  > ><br>
                  > > On 13/10/2016 11:43, Brent wrote:<br>
                  > >> Hi<br>
                  > >><br>
                  > >> Good to see plans for barncamp, I
                  enjoyed the last; might come again.<br>
                  > >> Bit busy a the mo, but will look out for
                  jobs.<br>
                  > >><br>
                  > >> Hope it's ok if I throw a question out;<br>
                  > >><br>
                  > >> There's a couple of groups I know with
                  floundering websites/digital<br>
                  > >> lives. Is there any such thing as an
                  activist-friendly 'full service'<br>
                  > >> website provision (and, possibly, email
                  and mailing list)? I.e. the<br>
                  > >> administration over and above hosting,
                  and cheap, ticking<br>
                  > >> privacy/security boxes? Or perhaps
                  suitable, established professionals<br>
                  > >> to take on the admin with current
                  hosting setups. Perhaps a robot that<br>
                  > >> doesn't eat or pay bills :)  The sites
                  are currently drupal, but I'm<br>
                  > >> thinking towards whatever.<br>
                  > >><br>
                  > >> I know it would be ideal to have more
                  user engagement, diy, volunteering<br>
                  > >> etc., and sure there's room for
                  discussion here- maybe this isn't a good<br>
                  > >> way to go- but realistically, I'm not
                  seeing the more informal<br>
                  > >> approaches working out sustainably, here
                  and other smallgroups. So<br>
                  > >> thought I'd ask around for options or
                  thoughts...<br>
                  > >><br>
                  > >> Thanks,<br>
                  > >> Brent<br>
                  > ><br>
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