<div dir="ltr">Thanks everyone! Might be looking for changing hosting for the one site I do manage, so might follow up on that at some point. The gap with the other site is more finding willing and able admins than hosting. Yeah it's not tooo much usually to do the admin, but tends to add up and scope leap I find.<div><br></div><div>Good luck with civiCRM etc. </div><div><br></div><div>b</div><div><div><br></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 13 October 2016 at 22:23, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hacktionlab-request@lists.aktivix.org" target="_blank">hacktionlab-request@lists.aktivix.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send HacktionLab mailing list submissions to<br>
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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 21:31:12 +0100<br>
From: Mick Clearer channel <<a href="mailto:mickfuzz@clearerchannel.org">mickfuzz@clearerchannel.org</a>><br>
To: Mike Harris <<a href="mailto:mike@mbharris.co.uk">mike@mbharris.co.uk</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] Northern gathering this fall?<br>
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I know bridge rectifier and the golden lion would be up for it again.<br>
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Mick on the move.<br>
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> On 12 Oct 2016, at 19:02, Mike Harris <<a href="mailto:mike@mbharris.co.uk">mike@mbharris.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Shall we have one?<br>
><br>
> Up north?<br>
><br>
> Anyone up north fancy organising it?<br>
><br>
> M<br>
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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 22:22:02 +0100<br>
From: Mike Harris <<a href="mailto:mike@mbharris.co.uk">mike@mbharris.co.uk</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] Activist friendly web/tech services<br>
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El 13/10/2016 a les 19:07, naomi ha escrit:<br>
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> Hi Sean,<br>
><br>
> I would absolutely love to chat with you about this, if you want to<br>
> reply off list. I am open to your viewpoint, clearly it is working for<br>
> you - I'm envious!<br>
><br>
> In my experience it's buggy as hell, new ones pop up with almost every<br>
> upgrade, and contributing bugfixes is well-nigh impossible due to<br>
> complexity of the development workflow - I've put in a few simple and<br>
> obvious PRs which never got accepted because every time it was about<br>
> to, the codebase had changed under it (yet the bug remained).<br>
><br>
> These days i don't bother trying to fix bugs, which is a real shame as<br>
> I have the skills and the motivation to help other users but I was put<br>
> off by these experiences of wasting my and others' time.<br>
><br>
> Importing donations is a total no-no - I had to write a module just to<br>
> do so, whilst Civi has an interface for importing them which had<br>
> options for all the things we wanted to do, it just didn't do them.<br>
><br>
> Are your systems pretty simple? I get the impression that the basic<br>
> stuff might work OK, but if you try and do anything more complex, it's<br>
> like <a href="https://twitter.com/computerfact/status/778271435357822980" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/<wbr>computerfact/status/<wbr>778271435357822980</a><br>
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lol!<br>
><br>
> Naomi<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 13/10/16 20:49, sean wrote:<br>
>> "my time is spent fiddling about with CiviCRM, which you should avoid<br>
>> at all costs."<br>
>><br>
>> hmm, I support 50+ civicrms, I wouldn't avoid it, if you're running a<br>
>> busy organisation it does all the work<br>
>><br>
>> On 13 October 2016 at 15:16, Kate Dawson <<a href="mailto:k4t@3msg.es">k4t@3msg.es</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:k4t@3msg.es">k4t@3msg.es</a>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hi world,<br>
>><br>
>> If we're adverting our shops here then...<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://webarchitects.coop" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">webarchitects.coop</a> <<a href="http://webarchitects.coop" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://webarchitects.coop</a>> are a workers<br>
>> cooperative providing hosting for<br>
>> all sorts of people, including activist organisations.<br>
>> We have a cooperative model that allow customers to become<br>
>> members also,<br>
>> so they can become involved in decision making and development<br>
>> directions.<br>
>><br>
>> Hosting is based in the UK or Iceland, depending on costs, and legal<br>
>> issues you think you may face.<br>
>><br>
>> All hosting is based powered by "goodenergy" in the UK from<br>
>> renewables or<br>
>> hydrothermal in Iceland.<br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>><br>
>> Kate Dawson<br>
>><br>
>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 12:45:55PM +0100, Charlie Harvey wrote:<br>
>> > Hi,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > <a href="https://ox4.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ox4.org</a> does Drupal (6 & 7) hosting for activist and<br>
>> community<br>
>> > groups, mostly in Oxford.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Its on a vm, which makes it less secure than some other<br>
>> services against<br>
>> > cops or other state functionaries.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Cheers,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On 13/10/16 12:17, Marcus Valentine wrote:<br>
>> > > Mike Harris and I run <a href="https://xtreamlab.net/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://xtreamlab.net/</a> for this kind of<br>
>> thing. We<br>
>> > > have a wordpress and drupal network installs. Users who<br>
>> require minimal<br>
>> > > technical support get a good (ie cheap) deal. If people require<br>
>> > > significant support we need to charge for our time.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > Best<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > Marcus<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > On 13/10/2016 11:43, Brent wrote:<br>
>> > >> Hi<br>
>> > >><br>
>> > >> Good to see plans for barncamp, I enjoyed the last; might<br>
>> come again.<br>
>> > >> Bit busy a the mo, but will look out for jobs.<br>
>> > >><br>
>> > >> Hope it's ok if I throw a question out;<br>
>> > >><br>
>> > >> There's a couple of groups I know with floundering<br>
>> websites/digital<br>
>> > >> lives. Is there any such thing as an activist-friendly 'full<br>
>> service'<br>
>> > >> website provision (and, possibly, email and mailing list)?<br>
>> I.e. the<br>
>> > >> administration over and above hosting, and cheap, ticking<br>
>> > >> privacy/security boxes? Or perhaps suitable, established<br>
>> professionals<br>
>> > >> to take on the admin with current hosting setups. Perhaps a<br>
>> robot that<br>
>> > >> doesn't eat or pay bills :) The sites are currently drupal,<br>
>> but I'm<br>
>> > >> thinking towards whatever.<br>
>> > >><br>
>> > >> I know it would be ideal to have more user engagement, diy,<br>
>> volunteering<br>
>> > >> etc., and sure there's room for discussion here- maybe this<br>
>> isn't a good<br>
>> > >> way to go- but realistically, I'm not seeing the more informal<br>
>> > >> approaches working out sustainably, here and other<br>
>> smallgroups. So<br>
>> > >> thought I'd ask around for options or thoughts...<br>
>> > >><br>
>> > >> Thanks,<br>
>> > >> Brent<br>
>> > ><br>
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>> > t: <a href="tel:%2B44%20%280%291865%20403249" value="+441865403249">+44 (0)1865 403249</a> <tel:%2B44%20%280%291865%<wbr>20403249><br>
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>> > k: <a href="http://ox4.li/gpgkey/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://ox4.li/gpgkey/</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> > New Internationalist is an independent not-for-profit<br>
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>> Internationalist,<br>
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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 22:22:39 +0100<br>
From: Mike Harris <<a href="mailto:mike@mbharris.co.uk">mike@mbharris.co.uk</a>><br>
To: "<a href="mailto:hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org">hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org</a><wbr>" <<a href="mailto:hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org">hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org</a><wbr>><br>
Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] Northern gathering this fall?<br>
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Hey Mick.<br>
<br>
It was fun there last year. Might be worth getting in touch with Rob<br>
about it. Any ideas about where we could stay though? That was a bit<br>
of a sketch before?<br>
<br>
<br>
El 13/10/2016 a les 21:31, Mick Clearer channel ha escrit:<br>
> I know bridge rectifier and the golden lion would be up for it again.<br>
><br>
> Mick on the move.<br>
><br>
>> On 12 Oct 2016, at 19:02, Mike Harris <<a href="mailto:mike@mbharris.co.uk">mike@mbharris.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Shall we have one?<br>
>><br>
>> Up north?<br>
>><br>
>> Anyone up north fancy organising it?<br>
>><br>
>> M<br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> --<br>
>> Mike Harris<br>
>> e: <a href="mailto:mike@mbharris.co.uk">mike@mbharris.co.uk</a><br>
>> t: <a href="tel:%2B44%20%280%29%207811%20671%20893" value="+447811671893">+44 (0) 7811 671 893</a><br>
>> s: adelayde<br>
>> w: <a href="https://mbharris.co.uk" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mbharris.co.uk</a><br>
>> l: <a href="http://uk.linkedin.com/in/mbharris" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://uk.linkedin.com/in/<wbr>mbharris</a><br>
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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 22:22:57 +0100<br>
From: Mike Harris <<a href="mailto:mike@mbharris.co.uk">mike@mbharris.co.uk</a>><br>
To: "<a href="mailto:hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org">hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org</a><wbr>" <<a href="mailto:hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org">hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org</a><wbr>><br>
Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] Northern gathering this fall?<br>
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Hey Lukas,<br>
<br>
Going back to the 1in12 would also be good. And we can crash there<br>
can't we?<br>
<br>
Anyone else there might be up for booking / organising? Or is there a<br>
date in the New Year that'd work instead?<br>
<br>
What's everyone up for? In my mind, it'd be good to have one around 6<br>
months before BarnCamp next year.<br>
<br>
Generally it's sorting out the accomodation that seems to be the ting...<br>
<br>
M<br>
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El 13/10/2016 a les 13:17, Lukas Hornby ha escrit:<br>
> Could host in Bradford, unfortunately don't have the capacity to<br>
> organise this side of 2016.<br>
><br>
> On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 at 19:03 Mike Harris <<a href="mailto:mike@mbharris.co.uk">mike@mbharris.co.uk</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mike@mbharris.co.uk">mike@mbharris.co.uk</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Shall we have one?<br>
><br>
> Up north?<br>
><br>
> Anyone up north fancy organising it?<br>
><br>
> M<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> --<br>
> Mike Harris<br>
> e: <a href="mailto:mike@mbharris.co.uk">mike@mbharris.co.uk</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mike@mbharris.co.uk">mike@mbharris.co.uk</a>><br>
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