<div dir="auto">Stepaway were you can.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We need more good UI openweb projects to stepaway too.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The #geekproblem is still a stumbling block on any significant number of people taking this step.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Hamish</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, 26 Mar 2018, 13:06 , <<a href="mailto:hacktionlab-request@lists.aktivix.org">hacktionlab-request@lists.aktivix.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send HacktionLab mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: Facebook exodus & where are people going (Ben Green)<br>
2. Re: Facebook exodus & where are people going (sean)<br>
3. Re: Facebook exodus & where are people going<br>
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 10:58:04 +0100<br>
From: Ben Green <<a href="mailto:ben@bristolwireless.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ben@bristolwireless.net</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] Facebook exodus & where are people going<br>
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Hi all,<br>
<br>
this post reads "Facebook exodus", but then the responses are all<br>
about either micro blogging or personal messaging platforms. I now<br>
have to have Signal, Telegram, Facebook Messenger, IRC client, SMS,<br>
Whatsapp and so on all installed on my phone/computer so that I can<br>
communicate with groups who have a particular preference. Frankly I<br>
don't need any more this thread has now given me another 8 platforms<br>
to look at isn't really helpful.<br>
<br>
Those services, micro blogging and personal messaging, are not the<br>
reason Facebook has become ubiquitous. It's the extended suite of<br>
services. For me, the event calendaring is the most useful part of<br>
facebook. I can contact groups who I know have signed up as being<br>
interested in an event, and see the events I've signed up for in<br>
calendar form. Other people might have different needs.<br>
<br>
We aren't going to stop Facebook with more and more and more micro<br>
blog/personal messenger platforms. I don't need more ways of people<br>
contacting me and I don't need more pictures of peoples meals. There<br>
needs to be an effort to find the useful and societaly enriching parts<br>
of Facebook and to have our own empowering services which take the<br>
best parts of the proprietary platforms and give them choice, security<br>
and privacy.<br>
<br>
<br>
2p,<br>
Cheers,<br>
Ben<br>
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Quoting ekes <<a href="mailto:ekes@aktivix.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ekes@aktivix.org</a>>:<br>
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> On 26/03/18 11:30, Paula Graham wrote:<br>
>> Nearest thing to whatsapp would be telegram but purists get sniffy<br>
>> about encryption protocols and it doesn't encrypt by default.<br>
><br>
> Think the common alternative is Signal - lots of people offer me their<br>
> Signal number these days.<br>
><br>
> My preference, as it doesn't need a telephone number, will work on all<br>
> devices without jumping through hoops, and is generally more flexible<br>
> regarding encrypted/not encrypted/groups/chats/bridging to other<br>
> networks etc. is riot/matrix:<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://chat.disroot.org/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://chat.disroot.org/</a> is my suggested instance (although I actually<br>
> use <a href="https://chat.weho.st" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://chat.weho.st</a> - they all federate)<br>
> <a href="https://about.riot.im/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://about.riot.im/</a> for apps to download.<br>
><br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 10:02:13 +0000<br>
From: sean <<a href="mailto:seankenny@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">seankenny@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Benjamin Green <<a href="mailto:ben@bristolwireless.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ben@bristolwireless.net</a>><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [HacktionLab] Facebook exodus & where are people going<br>
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Shame I can't Like Ben's post :)<br>
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2018, 11:58 Ben Green, <<a href="mailto:ben@bristolwireless.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ben@bristolwireless.net</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Hi all,<br>
><br>
> this post reads "Facebook exodus", but then the responses are all<br>
> about either micro blogging or personal messaging platforms. I now<br>
> have to have Signal, Telegram, Facebook Messenger, IRC client, SMS,<br>
> Whatsapp and so on all installed on my phone/computer so that I can<br>
> communicate with groups who have a particular preference. Frankly I<br>
> don't need any more this thread has now given me another 8 platforms<br>
> to look at isn't really helpful.<br>
><br>
> Those services, micro blogging and personal messaging, are not the<br>
> reason Facebook has become ubiquitous. It's the extended suite of<br>
> services. For me, the event calendaring is the most useful part of<br>
> facebook. I can contact groups who I know have signed up as being<br>
> interested in an event, and see the events I've signed up for in<br>
> calendar form. Other people might have different needs.<br>
><br>
> We aren't going to stop Facebook with more and more and more micro<br>
> blog/personal messenger platforms. I don't need more ways of people<br>
> contacting me and I don't need more pictures of peoples meals. There<br>
> needs to be an effort to find the useful and societaly enriching parts<br>
> of Facebook and to have our own empowering services which take the<br>
> best parts of the proprietary platforms and give them choice, security<br>
> and privacy.<br>
><br>
><br>
> 2p,<br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Ben<br>
><br>
><br>
> Quoting ekes <<a href="mailto:ekes@aktivix.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ekes@aktivix.org</a>>:<br>
><br>
> > On 26/03/18 11:30, Paula Graham wrote:<br>
> >> Nearest thing to whatsapp would be telegram but purists get sniffy<br>
> >> about encryption protocols and it doesn't encrypt by default.<br>
> ><br>
> > Think the common alternative is Signal - lots of people offer me their<br>
> > Signal number these days.<br>
> ><br>
> > My preference, as it doesn't need a telephone number, will work on all<br>
> > devices without jumping through hoops, and is generally more flexible<br>
> > regarding encrypted/not encrypted/groups/chats/bridging to other<br>
> > networks etc. is riot/matrix:<br>
> ><br>
> > <a href="https://chat.disroot.org/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://chat.disroot.org/</a> is my suggested instance (although I actually<br>
> > use <a href="https://chat.weho.st" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://chat.weho.st</a> - they all federate)<br>
> > <a href="https://about.riot.im/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://about.riot.im/</a> for apps to download.<br>
> ><br>
> > _______________________________________________<br>
> > HacktionLab mailing list<br>
> > <a href="mailto:HacktionLab@lists.aktivix.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">HacktionLab@lists.aktivix.org</a><br>
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On 26/03/18 10:58, Ben Green wrote:<br>
> Hi all,<br>
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> We aren't going to stop Facebook with more and more and more micro<br>
> blog/personal messenger platforms. I don't need more ways of people<br>
> contacting me and I don't need more pictures of peoples meals. There<br>
> needs to be an effort to find the useful and societaly enriching parts<br>
> of Facebook and to have our own empowering services which take the<br>
> best parts of the proprietary platforms and give them choice, security<br>
> and privacy.<br>
<br>
I think you are right Ben about the issue of the events convening aspect<br>
being the thing that is most missing and most attractive about FB<br>
What about this as a more holistic response!<br>
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<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxV23IiR9DU" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxV23IiR9DU</a><br>
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