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<p>That's kind of the point, there weren't really mistakes as such.
And I do think your critique on your talk was a little
reductionist Jay, which I guess is fair, because it was just a
talk. What I hope to cover is something that may help us
understand how to do things differently in the future.<br>
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<p>As I experienced it, the main problem was people (especially
those more on the journalism side of things) drifting away from
the project for myriad reasons, but often to get paid work, and
leaving just a few techs "in charge" of a platform with increasing
less good content. Secondly, and more importantly, it was the
rise of Facebook, Twitter et al; the new generation of activists,
especially in the environment movement were not engaging as much
with alternative platforms (and tech) as did the previous
generation of activists; Indymedia was largely built in the ambit
of the anti-globalisation/capitalism movement, and that out of
things like Reclaim the Streets: it was very anti-capitalism and
having independent control over our tools. Thirdly, Indymedia
just couldn't keep up with the technical innovations and modern
look and feel of the aforementioned mainstream social media
platforms, and this put people off.<br>
</p>
<p>All that followed after, with arguments, paranoia, differences of
opinion, and people debating whether it's okay to publish an
interview with Gilat Atzmon or not, I feel was the fall-out from
an increasingly less popular and crumbling project, and not really
the real underlying reasons: the symptom rather than the cause in
other words.</p>
<p>Mike.<br>
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<p>Haha, yes let's not do that -- if you've seen my HacktionLab
presentation you'll know how keen I am to learn from the
mistakes of IndyMedia!</p>
<p>I'm really fascinated by the possibilities of the Kbin
structure to host a Mutu-style network for UK information and
news.</p>
<p>If you, Sam (or anyone else reading!), would like to discuss
this with me directly, feel free -- I'm conscious of
potentially clogging up the list! 😀</p>
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On Tuesday, July 25th, 2023 at 18:21, <a
href="mailto:sam@bristolwireless.net" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">sam@bristolwireless.net</a> <a
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<p>just be careful not to accidentally re-invent indymedia!</p>
<p>I've found hosting kbin on <a href="http://elest.io"
moz-do-not-send="true">elest.io</a> fairly easy.</p>
<p>I've been playing with a service <a
href="https://kbin.world" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://kbin.world</a> that
attempts to<br>
redirect you to the appropriate community/instance depending
on where<br>
you are in the world. It's quite large geographic areas at
the moment,<br>
but I could try and get hold of some regional IP address
localisation<br>
for the UK.</p>
<p>2p</p>
<p>Sam</p>
<p>uoting Jay Baker <a
href="mailto:jaybaker@mediaactivist.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jaybaker@mediaactivist.com</a>:</p>
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<p>Hey Sam, thanks for this -- I'm a big fan and user of the
fediverse,<br>
including Kbin. I'll admit that my gut reaction to your
message was<br>
"Ah, that's a totally different thing, it wouldn't
work..." and then<br>
as I've thought about it more, I've found your suggestion
to<br>
actually be quite inspired! Maybe an instance dedicated to
local<br>
autonomous media with each locality running a different
magazine<br>
would fit really well! So thanks! If folks are interested
in<br>
discussing running such an instance, let's talk!</p>
<p>Jay Baker<br>
Pronouns: he/they<br>
Website: <a href="http://MediaActivist.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">MediaActivist.com</a></p>
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On Saturday, July 15th, 2023 at 17:28, <a
href="mailto:sam@bristolwireless.net"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">sam@bristolwireless.net</a><br>
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moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">sam@bristolwireless.net</a>
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<p>I've been playing with Kbin a bit recently. It might be
a good fit,<br>
where local communities are a 'magazine'</p>
<p>Kbin is a Fediverse version of a threaded /voting
platform like<br>
Reddit. It interoperates with Lemmy.</p>
<p>This is a worldnews aggregator built with kbin for
example:<br>
<a href="https://fledd.it/" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://fledd.it/</a></p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>Sam</p>
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<p>Jay Baker:</p>
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<p>As I couldn't make it on the day, if anyone has any
questions about<br>
Mutu / local autonomous media based on the
presentation, ask away!<br>
I also think there are possibilities to incorporate
it into the<br>
Radar site perhaps, so Radar folks feel free to give
me a shot too!</p>
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<p>For sure if folks start to set up such a network we
can help with<br>
syndicating the events. It's something we already do
with other sites.</p>
<p>I think it would be great if people start a mutu-like
network of<br>
independent media collectives. As I mentioned at
Hacktionlab please<br>
don't use spip (I make a point of never crapping on
any software<br>
platform - but in this case I make an exception - its
security is<br>
flawed by design). Not that I think the particular
software platform<br>
is important in this case, it's the network of people.
Start simple.<br>
Something like set of Wordpress sites, and one
pointing to them and<br>
aggregating some content, would do it.</p>
<p>Solidarity,</p>
<p>ekes</p>
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