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<p>Jay, also to follow up, when I said it was a <i>little
reductionist</i>, I meant it, but not as a criticism of your
talk. In context it worked fine, and, I'm sure you are aware that
it was much more nuanced. I would like though, to set my own
record straight on the topic, which will be an opinion piece for
sure ;)<br>
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<p>Mike.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/08/2023 11:06, Mike Harris wrote:<br>
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<p>That's kind of the point, there weren't really mistakes as
such. And I do think your critique on your talk was a little
reductionist Jay, which I guess is fair, because it was just a
talk. What I hope to cover is something that may help us
understand how to do things differently in the future.<br>
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<p>As I experienced it, the main problem was people (especially
those more on the journalism side of things) drifting away from
the project for myriad reasons, but often to get paid work, and
leaving just a few techs "in charge" of a platform with
increasing less good content. Secondly, and more importantly,
it was the rise of Facebook, Twitter et al; the new generation
of activists, especially in the environment movement were not
engaging as much with alternative platforms (and tech) as did
the previous generation of activists; Indymedia was largely
built in the ambit of the anti-globalisation/capitalism
movement, and that out of things like Reclaim the Streets: it
was very anti-capitalism and having independent control over our
tools. Thirdly, Indymedia just couldn't keep up with the
technical innovations and modern look and feel of the
aforementioned mainstream social media platforms, and this put
people off.<br>
</p>
<p>All that followed after, with arguments, paranoia, differences
of opinion, and people debating whether it's okay to publish an
interview with Gilat Atzmon or not, I feel was the fall-out from
an increasingly less popular and crumbling project, and not
really the real underlying reasons: the symptom rather than the
cause in other words.</p>
<p>Mike.<br>
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<p>Haha, yes let's not do that -- if you've seen my
HacktionLab presentation you'll know how keen I am to learn
from the mistakes of IndyMedia!</p>
<p>I'm really fascinated by the possibilities of the Kbin
structure to host a Mutu-style network for UK information
and news.</p>
<p>If you, Sam (or anyone else reading!), would like to
discuss this with me directly, feel free -- I'm conscious of
potentially clogging up the list! 😀</p>
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On Tuesday, July 25th, 2023 at 18:21, <a
href="mailto:sam@bristolwireless.net" moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p>just be careful not to accidentally re-invent indymedia!</p>
<p>I've found hosting kbin on <a href="http://elest.io"
moz-do-not-send="true">elest.io</a> fairly easy.</p>
<p>I've been playing with a service <a
href="https://kbin.world" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://kbin.world</a>
that attempts to<br>
redirect you to the appropriate community/instance
depending on where<br>
you are in the world. It's quite large geographic areas at
the moment,<br>
but I could try and get hold of some regional IP address
localisation<br>
for the UK.</p>
<p>2p</p>
<p>Sam</p>
<p>uoting Jay Baker <a
href="mailto:jaybaker@mediaactivist.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jaybaker@mediaactivist.com</a>:</p>
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<p>Hey Sam, thanks for this -- I'm a big fan and user of
the fediverse,<br>
including Kbin. I'll admit that my gut reaction to your
message was<br>
"Ah, that's a totally different thing, it wouldn't
work..." and then<br>
as I've thought about it more, I've found your
suggestion to<br>
actually be quite inspired! Maybe an instance dedicated
to local<br>
autonomous media with each locality running a different
magazine<br>
would fit really well! So thanks! If folks are
interested in<br>
discussing running such an instance, let's talk!</p>
<p>Jay Baker<br>
Pronouns: he/they<br>
Website: <a href="http://MediaActivist.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">MediaActivist.com</a></p>
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On Saturday, July 15th, 2023 at 17:28, <a
href="mailto:sam@bristolwireless.net"
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<p>I've been playing with Kbin a bit recently. It might
be a good fit,<br>
where local communities are a 'magazine'</p>
<p>Kbin is a Fediverse version of a threaded /voting
platform like<br>
Reddit. It interoperates with Lemmy.</p>
<p>This is a worldnews aggregator built with kbin for
example:<br>
<a href="https://fledd.it/" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://fledd.it/</a></p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>Sam</p>
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<p>Jay Baker:</p>
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<p>As I couldn't make it on the day, if anyone has
any questions about<br>
Mutu / local autonomous media based on the
presentation, ask away!<br>
I also think there are possibilities to
incorporate it into the<br>
Radar site perhaps, so Radar folks feel free to
give me a shot too!</p>
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<p>For sure if folks start to set up such a network we
can help with<br>
syndicating the events. It's something we already do
with other sites.</p>
<p>I think it would be great if people start a
mutu-like network of<br>
independent media collectives. As I mentioned at
Hacktionlab please<br>
don't use spip (I make a point of never crapping on
any software<br>
platform - but in this case I make an exception -
its security is<br>
flawed by design). Not that I think the particular
software platform<br>
is important in this case, it's the network of
people. Start simple.<br>
Something like set of Wordpress sites, and one
pointing to them and<br>
aggregating some content, would do it.</p>
<p>Solidarity,</p>
<p>ekes</p>
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