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<p>It always made sense to be concerned, I wasn't belittling that in
any way. It's the selling of "Free Speech", which is a term the
right like to bandy about whilst trying to destroy it, that I
thought was inappropriate. I felt that the issue with the
governments treatment of Palestine Action fell in to a different
category, but that was besides your point.</p>
<p>Yes activists, including me, aren't as careful as they should be
with communication channels.<br>
<br>
Reddit, Discord or Bluesky are not good platforms to use for sure.
There's more secure, more people led platforms that can be used
but there's reason's they aren't popular, which have nothing to do
with how logic or reason. The big platforms are intentionally
sticky, addictive. We've never come up with a good way to counter
that. Getting people to be rational and reasonable is not going to
be the way.<br>
<br>
I think people will come to tech activists when they need to have
private communication. The trouble I had last time was that I had
nothing to present. There requirements were something like this:<br>
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<ul>
<li>A way to communicate which a group of people remote from each
other can:</li>
<ul>
<li>start up easily</li>
<li>have a few people easily join</li>
<li>be completely destroy afterwards</li>
</ul>
</ul>
<p><br>
It still seems to me like this would be a good service to offer,
given the rise of the populist right. There's problems here too
though, people communicating on the other end could have been
compromised. It would need to be launched quickly, quickly joined
and only to be assumed legit for a very limited time. You'd hope
to access it via a non-persistent OS too.</p>
<p>I think we need to have a need expressed to us, whilst giving
sound advice on existing service when we can, hence Tech Tools for
Activists. Perhaps we really do need an update. I've not looked at
it in a while.</p>
<p><br>
Cheers,</p>
<p>Beneration Z</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/7/25 22:47, ben wrote:<br>
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style="scrollbar-width: thin; scrollbar-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.35) rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); display: inline !important; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">I
think you make good point about the Palestine Action issue, in
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style="scrollbar-width: thin; scrollbar-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.35) rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); display: inline !important; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">My
concern is not just about the brazen proscription of Palestine
Action, but also stuff like the repercussions of the Online
Safety Act (people now being asked for an ID or face scan in
order to access websites) and the actions of Trump in the US
(with similar movements rising in popularity in the UK also).<br>
</span><br>
As a result of all of these things (and more) I am personally am
feeling very concerned about the future of the open web.<br>
<br>
And while people might not feel concerned, I think it is
concerned that political activists are currently still using
platforms like Reddit, Discord or Bluesky for their online
communications. All three of those platforms are now doing
ID/face scan checks to block off certain content that is being
shared.<br>
<br>
I'm also concerned that bad information will lead people towards
using the wrong tools to protect their privacy. I myself am
unsure about which tools are okay and which aren't.<br>
<br>
I dunno. Am I making more sense with my concerns now?<br>
<br>
In solidarity,<br>
Ben X<br>
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<div class="protonmail_quote"> On Sunday, 5 October 2025 at 22:18,
Ben Green <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ben@bristolwireless.net"><ben@bristolwireless.net></a> wrote:<br>
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<p>Hi,<br>
<br>
I believe this has nothing to do with Free Speech which as
the article claims. It's poor journalism to pull the events
in that category I think. Right to protest, right to gather
peaceably are the more visible issues. The problem is here
that Palestine Action are a proscribed organisation. Once an
organisation is proscribed, they cannot legally be promoted.
It seems like a good idea to have certain groups proscribed,
given the paradox of tolerance.</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">We then come to the underlying
problem that there's no substantial justification for the
proscription of Palestine Action. That's the thing we should
be taking on I believe. The other groups proscribed in July
2025 were the ultranationalist Russian Imperial Movement and
white supremacist Maniacs Murder Cult, strange company for
some people with red paint and some caring elders. As I
mentioned at lunch, this seems particularly stark now the UN
has confirmed it considered Israel actively genocidal. Does
anyone know what measures are being taken to deal with this?</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I think, well know for sure
really, if there's a real problem with activist group
communication there's plenty of people who'll tell me/us,
we've had and publicised them. I feel we're OK on that
point.<br>
<br>
I like Mark's suggestions. With regard to the TOR links: Do
we have any kind of gateway that could take an HTTPS site
and pipe to within TOR?</div>
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Cheers,</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Ben</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/5/25 19:24, ben wrote:<br>
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<div>Thanks for a great weekend with much beautiful food
for thought and food for eating.</div>
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<div>During brunch I realised there was a topic I forgot
to add that I thought was important to talk about.</div>
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<div>In response to crack downs on free speech in the
UK (e.g. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-police-get-new-powers-after-latest-pro-palestinian-protest-2025-10-05/"
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moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-police-get-new-powers-after-latest-pro-palestinian-protest-2025-10-05/</a>
), the need for alternative secure media channels is
gonna be more vital than ever.<br>
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<div>A refresh on the current best (and preferably
accessible) practices for doing this would be good.</div>
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<div>Making folks can chime on on the list with their
thoughts.</div>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Ben X</div>
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