<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace">Keet is meant to become open source.<br>Think of it as an open core model and the main reason is that a p2p stack is difficult to impossible to update once its out in the wild and many people build stuff on top of it.<br>They are releasing more and more of keet in a modular fashion over time and you can already build keet like messengers with the stack that is released, which includes a p2p electron equivalent called `pear` runtime.<br>Some of the most advanced features keet currently provides are still very new and haven't yet been stabilized and they team wants to guarantee that what is released is stable and not likely to change apart from performance and security updates and occasionally some extra feature if needed.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace">That is the main reason.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace">Briar is a great messenger I have used extensively in the past and I think it comes down to what you want.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace">In addition to private (group) chats, it allows forums and blogs, but imho it's only available for android and not other mobile systems and also not desktop, whether windows, macOS or linux.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace">It doesn't do video or audio, no audio calls or video calls and not conference calls either.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace">I have never seen briar chat rooms with >10k members.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace">And you can also not share files of arbitrary size with it.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace">...the list goes on.<br><br>Keet in many ways is not just peer to peer, but also in many ways better than existing big tech messenger apps.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace"><br><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 at 00:21, Devon <<a href="mailto:lepetitprince@fastmail.uk">lepetitprince@fastmail.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u><div><div>Thanks, I'd not heard of keet. I think my only question is, if the team is used to building FOSS stuff and it's using a FOSS stack, why isn't Keet FOSS? (Which I appreciate is a question for that team, not for you - but it's worth asking)</div><div><br></div><div>Ta</div><div>Devon</div><div><br></div><div>On Mon, 19 Jan 2026, at 2:16 AM, <a href="mailto:a.praetorius@serapath.de" target="_blank">a.praetorius@serapath.de</a> wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite" id="m_2289816472488510917qt"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:monospace"><div><a href="https://keet.io" target="_blank">https://keet.io</a></div><div><br></div><div>Try keet, it has no problem with the chinese firewall.</div><div>The biggest issue is probably getting it installed if the website is blocked, but you can get it from github or even somehow get the AppImage to them.</div><div><br></div><div>It works offline first, so they can write and if somebody is nearby, they can sync messages and if that person then travels physically to where the internet works, the messages will reach other recipients and it works the other way around too. I think keet is by far the most mature option that exists - nothing else compares right now.</div></div><div style="font-family:monospace"><br></div><div style="font-family:monospace"><div>While keet is closed source I know and more or less trust the team that is developing it. They have a decades long record of doing open source p2p software and the stack and runtime it is build on top of is entirely open source.</div></div></div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr">On Fri, 16 Jan 2026 at 01:20, brentc <<a href="mailto:brentc@riseup.net" target="_blank">brentc@riseup.net</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><u></u><br></div><div><p>Thanks all, good advice, I've passed on.</p><div>On 15/01/2026 21:28, Tim Dobson wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>I'd probably avoid emailing them for the moment. </div><div> <br></div><div> I'm less sure you'll get them in trouble, and more worried
that whatever you email may be outdated by the time it arrives
- wait til there's more clarity, and then raise comms by
asking how they're doing (which is a very neutral question and
should be answerable easily even if they're worried about
interception).</div></div><div><br></div><div>I hope your friends come through this fine.</div></div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr">On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 at 21:22,
Patrice Riemens <<a href="mailto:patrice@puscii.nl" target="_blank">patrice@puscii.nl</a>>
wrote:</div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><br></div><div>Hi All,</div><div> <br></div><div> As far as I can judge from here (Rural SW France ;-), it's
going to be a tough job to contact yr friends in teheran in
the present circumstances. Won't surely work over gmail. The
Guardian had a good explainer on how the blackout works - it
appears to be very precise and even Musk's Starling is, at
least partially blocked - using Russian technology form the
war in Ukraine. yet some messgs seem to filter thru. I'd think
a relay of friends of friends who know a friend who manages to
... etc. Pb is that you need to have contact with yr friends
to be able to cantact the friend of a friend who etc ... Not
easy, but you might have luck, or tough luck if yr queries
fall in the wrong hands. </div><div> <br></div><div> Now pray the ugly theocracy falls sooner rater than later. It
will.</div><div> <br></div><div> ----- Original Message -----</div><div> From: "brentc" <<a href="mailto:brentc@riseup.net" target="_blank">brentc@riseup.net</a>></div><div> To: <a href="mailto:hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org" target="_blank">hacktionlab@lists.aktivix.org</a></div><div> Sent: Tuesday, 13 January, 2026 22:01:35</div><div> Subject: [HacktionLab] Emailing under internet blackout</div><div> <br></div><div> A question came up about emailing to Iran: "I have some
contacts in </div><div> Tehran who are anti-authoritarian educators I was supposed to
be </div><div> recording a presentation for them to show at their seminar
series (I've </div><div> done this for them before) - next week. I'm not sure what to
do now, I'm </div><div> assuming if I email them [they on gmail] I won't get through.
Big/stupid </div><div> ask - Does anyone tecchy know how an internet blackout is
likely to </div><div> work? I.e. I'm not sure whether to email my contact, could it
be </div><div> intercepted and get him in trouble?"</div><div> <br></div><div> I didn't have conclusive answers. Any thoughts? I don't know
exactly how </div><div> sensitive the comms are and I gather encrypted comms hasn't
been set up.</div><div> <br></div><div> b</div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> _______________________________________________</div><div> HacktionLab mailing list</div><div> <a href="mailto:HacktionLab@lists.aktivix.org" target="_blank">HacktionLab@lists.aktivix.org</a></div><div> <a href="https://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/hacktionlab" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/hacktionlab</a></div><div> <br></div><div> _______________________________________________</div><div> HacktionLab mailing list</div><div> <a href="mailto:HacktionLab@lists.aktivix.org" target="_blank">HacktionLab@lists.aktivix.org</a></div><div> <a href="https://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/hacktionlab" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/hacktionlab</a></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div> HacktionLab mailing list</div><div> <a href="mailto:HacktionLab@lists.aktivix.org" target="_blank">HacktionLab@lists.aktivix.org</a></div><div> <a href="https://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/hacktionlab" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/hacktionlab</a></div></blockquote></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>HacktionLab mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:HacktionLab@lists.aktivix.org" target="_blank">HacktionLab@lists.aktivix.org</a></div><div><a href="https://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/hacktionlab" target="_blank">https://lists.aktivix.org/mailman/listinfo/hacktionlab</a></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div id="m_2289816472488510917sig141269208"><div><div>........................................................</div><div>be excellent to each other :-)</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div>