Message-ID: <20030327163737.GA25570@croome.net>
Hi
On Thu 27-Mar-2003 at 04:31:51PM -0000, Cass, Noel wrote:
> front page of uk site seems to be unobtainable, me off soon (is
> 16.30)
I can still ping so I guess squid has died again and need
restarting, This has also knocked the global site off as well.
IRC is still down.
Chris
[chris at snowball chris]$ ping indymedia.org
PING indymedia.org (216.231.32.98) from 192.168.1.2 : 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from stallman.indymedia.org (216.231.32.98): icmp_seq=1 ttl=238 time=174 ms
64 bytes from stallman.indymedia.org (216.231.32.98): icmp_seq=2 ttl=238 time=182 ms
[chris at snowball chris]$ ping irc.indymedia.org
PING kropotkin.indymedia.org (216.102.237.124) from 192.168.1.2 : 56(84) bytes of data.
--- kropotkin.indymedia.org ping statistics ---
8 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% loss, time 7012ms
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From chris at croome.net Thu Mar 27 16:43:07 2003
From: chris at croome.net (Chris Croome)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:43:07 +0000
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] Re: [Imc-uk-features] lists up again?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030327143544.02c01720@pop.gmx.net>
References: <20030326180141.NJLG20605.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@[81.104.8.73]>
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Hi
On Thu 27-Mar-2003 at 02:36:29PM +0000, ionnek wrote:
>
> am trying to work out if postings during downtime will appear...
I was wondering that as well, if themail doesn't make it onto the
IMC list server then it'll get qued and should eventually appear
when things are back up.
However if it gets to the mailserver and the server is losing data
(possible) then things will be lost.
Without knowing more it's hard to say.
I think the best thing to do is to continue mailing which ever UK
IMC list and also CC everything to the emergency list.
Chris
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From chris at croome.net Thu Mar 27 22:40:42 2003
From: chris at croome.net (Chris Croome)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:40:42 +0000
Subject: [Imc-uk-features] [imc-uk-emergency] Draft feature on DDoS
attacks
In-Reply-To: <20030327122446.GB409@croome.net>
References: <20030327122446.GB409@croome.net>
Message-ID: <20030327224042.GB27029@croome.net>
Hi
I don't know if this is going to be uesd as the basis of a feature:
http://www.email-lists.org/pipermail/imc-uk-emergency/attachments/20030327/73c82eed/war_ddos.html
But if it is used this might also be worth linking to:
Al Jazeera's web site - DDoSed or unplugged?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/29984.html
If people haven't come across The Register it's probably the UK's
main tech news site.
Chris
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From chris at croome.net Thu Mar 27 22:56:20 2003
From: chris at croome.net (Chris Croome)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:56:20 +0000
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] IRC is back up :-)
Message-ID: <20030327225620.GD27029@croome.net>
Hey
IRC is back up:
http://irc.indymedia.org/
As usual on #nowaruk
Chris
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From andi at syndicate.org.uk Fri Mar 28 01:13:54 2003
From: andi at syndicate.org.uk (andi)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 01:13:54 +0000
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] 59945 and hidden
Message-ID: <20030328011518.517E42842D@mail.webarchitects.co.uk>
lists are down AGAIN! to see how often this now has happened
check http://riseup.net/mrtg/indy.html and look for sarai...
-------------------------------------------------------
59945 hidden (nazi scum)
and 59933 - very tendentious reposting of AP.
"ISM hid senior Palestinian terrorist.
Rachel Corrie organization
So this is who people like Rachel Corrie were protecting."
Not even to speak of the corpmedia 'objective' spin by AP
on the Rachel Corrie story:
"An American activist with the group was killed on March
16 while trying to stop an Israeli military bulldozer in
the Gaza Strip. She fell in front of the machine, which ran
over her and then backed up, witnesses said."
"she fell in front of the machine"??? this already can
count for infactuality...
cheers, andi
From ionnek at gmx.net Fri Mar 28 17:07:24 2003
From: ionnek at gmx.net (ionnek)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 17:07:24 +0000
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] [feature] proposal on cyberactions/attacks
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030328170343.03128e80@pop.gmx.net>
hi chris and all,
have edited your feat.
took the "calls on this site" out, replaced by reports on this site.
changed the italy bit cause it was cryptic to me, but pp can read about it
on the contrast org link (tha for that!)
still not happy cause al jazeera attack is not what I perceive as a
sensible political action in cyberspace!!
pls improve.
ionnek
White on blue: WAR ON THE INTERNET
Yellow: Cyberattacks against Al-Jazeera website
The US/UK war against Iraq, as well as the protests against it, have
implications on the internet. The
English version of the
Al-Jazeera website has been attacked
in the form of a DDoS
attack. The
days
old site was knocked off the internet.
English language news sites in the region: Unofficial
Al Jazeerah sites | Dar Al
Hayat | Reports
and Resources from Baghdad |
Several posts report about electronic
disobedience,
virtual
sit-ins, the use of
internet
war tools and
eAction
against the pro-war lobby
amongst others. Actions on the internet such as Netstrikes have become
part of protests and are increasingly being policed. Heated
debates on
techy sites are ongoing.
From ionnek at gmx.net Fri Mar 28 17:28:02 2003
From: ionnek at gmx.net (ionnek)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 17:28:02 +0000
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] [Imc-uk-features] prop cyberfeature
In-Reply-To: <20030327224042.GB27029@croome.net>
References: <20030327122446.GB409@croome.net>
<20030327122446.GB409@croome.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030328172657.00ac84d0@pop.gmx.net>
ideas for title?
White on blue: WAR ON THE INTERNET
Yellow: War on internet
The US/UK war against Iraq, as well as the protests against it, have
implications on the internet. The days
old
English version of the
Al-Jazeera website has been down
since 26. March. The Register
explores possible reasons.
English language news sites in the region: Unofficial
Al Jazeerah sites | Dar Al
Hayat | Reports
and Resources from Baghdad |
Several posts report about electronic
disobedience,
virtual
sit-ins, the use of
internet
war tools and
eAction
against the pro-war lobby
amongst others. Actions on the internet such as Netstrikes have become
part of protests and are increasingly being policed. Heated
debates
about DDoS
attacks are ongoing on
techy sites.
From chris at croome.net Fri Mar 28 17:51:48 2003
From: chris at croome.net (Chris Croome)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 17:51:48 +0000
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] [feature] proposal on cyberactions/attacks
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030328170343.03128e80@pop.gmx.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030328170343.03128e80@pop.gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20030328175148.GB375@croome.net>
Hi
Following is the bit I have re-edited, I think this is OK now
(unless I have filled it with spelin mistakes ;-).
On Fri 28-Mar-2003 at 05:07:24PM +0000, ionnek wrote:
>
> still not happy cause al jazeera attack is not what I perceive as
> a sensible political action in cyberspace!!
I personally don't support any of this stuff (attacks on left or
right wing sites) and the re-written second part of this feature is
far too supportive of actions such as the electrohippy stuff IMHO,
see the email this is a reply to.
Perhaps it's best to just omit it and have a debate on it? Am I in a
monority of one in opposing the electrohippy stuff?
Chris
White on blue: WAR ON THE INTERNET
Yellow: Cyberattacks against Al-Jazeera website?
The US/UK war against Iraq, as well as the protests against it, have
implications on the internet. The
English version of the
Al-Jazeera website might have been attacked
in the form of a DDoS
attack. The
days
old site has been intermittently available but
there
are doubts about the cause of the downtime.
English language news sites in the region: Unofficial
Al Jazeerah sites | Dar Al
Hayat | Reports
and Resources from Baghdad |
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From ionnek at gmx.net Fri Mar 28 18:02:57 2003
From: ionnek at gmx.net (ionnek)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:02:57 +0000
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] [feature] proposal on
cyberactions/attacks
In-Reply-To: <20030328175148.GB375@croome.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030328170343.03128e80@pop.gmx.net>
<5.1.0.14.0.20030328170343.03128e80@pop.gmx.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030328175534.03114e70@pop.gmx.net>
shit that the feats list is down.
I'd like to have some more input on the cyberspace feature.
I agree its best to splet the 2 paragraphs, put them in 2 features.
but - maybe ignorant!- think that the al jazeera down on its own is not
enough for a feature - wellllll - but menwith hill and fairford were single
events too - so dunno....
and, commenting on your new version, Chris: I don't like publishing feats
that say - may have been under dd attack. what we know is that its down.
and you found that great register article analysing possible reasons. I
would leave it at that - site down, backup pages, possible reasons on register.
about the cyberaction para - supportive? it just mentions some. not even
all ddos. points to a discussion, mentions policiing, leaves it to the
reader what they think about it. the contrast page intro makes clear that
ddos attacks are not something everyone agrees on.
and, yes, for me the decision on wether I agree to a cyberaction or not is
not defined by the tech used, but by the degree of connection with social
movements, choosing the right target, being fair to participants (not like
that jerk who inserted a script in the newswire and made you participate
in an attack wether you liked it or not).
but I think our opinions don't need to be discussed in depth for a feature
- we don't need to agree.
Marion
At 17:51 28/03/03, Chris Croome wrote:
>Hi
>
>Following is the bit I have re-edited, I think this is OK now
>(unless I have filled it with spelin mistakes ;-).
>
>On Fri 28-Mar-2003 at 05:07:24PM +0000, ionnek wrote:
> >
> > still not happy cause al jazeera attack is not what I perceive as
> > a sensible political action in cyberspace!!
>
>I personally don't support any of this stuff (attacks on left or
>right wing sites) and the re-written second part of this feature is
>far too supportive of actions such as the electrohippy stuff IMHO,
>see the email this is a reply to.
>
>Perhaps it's best to just omit it and have a debate on it? Am I in a
>monority of one in opposing the electrohippy stuff?
>
>Chris
>
>
>White on blue: WAR ON THE INTERNET
>
>Yellow: Cyberattacks against Al-Jazeera website?
>
>The US/UK war against Iraq, as well as the protests against it, have
>implications on the internet. The
>English version of the
>Al-Jazeera website might have been href="http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=59631&group=webcast">attacked
>
>in the form of a DDoS
>attack. The
>href="http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=59685&group=webcast">days
>
>
>old site has been intermittently available but
>there
>are doubts about the cause of the downtime.
>English language news sites in the region: href="http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=59747&group=webcast">Unofficial
>
>
>Al Jazeerah sites | Dar Al
>Hayat | href="http://www.indymedia.org/archive/features/2003/03/2003-03.html#8144">Reports
>
>
>and Resources from Baghdad |
>
>
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From ionnek at gmx.net Fri Mar 28 18:04:07 2003
From: ionnek at gmx.net (ionnek)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:04:07 +0000
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] M22 feature, london link
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030328180315.03115090@pop.gmx.net>
for maquis, timeline para feature
Half a million marched in London, converging at a rally in Hyde Park.
Protesters temporarily blocked Oxford Street and Park Lane. The police
surrounded them using heavy physical contact and arrested one demonstrator.
Check the detailed timeline.
From chris at croome.net Fri Mar 28 18:50:34 2003
From: chris at croome.net (Chris Croome)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:50:34 +0000
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] [feature] proposal on cyberactions/attacks
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030328175534.03114e70@pop.gmx.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030328170343.03128e80@pop.gmx.net>
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Hi
On Fri 28-Mar-2003 at 06:02:57PM +0000, ionnek wrote:
>
> shit that the feats list is down.
Yeah :-(
> I agree its best to splet the 2 paragraphs, put them in 2 features.
> but - maybe ignorant!- think that the al jazeera down on its own is not
> enough for a feature
Hmmm, good point, perhaps they are better together after all?
> and, commenting on your new version, Chris: I don't like
> publishing feats that say - may have been under dd attack. what we
> know is that its down. and you found that great register article
> analysing possible reasons. I would leave it at that - site down,
> backup pages, possible reasons on register.
Yes, I agree.
> but I think our opinions don't need to be discussed in depth for a
> feature - we don't need to agree.
True, in any case the debate can only be had when the lists are back
up...
Chris
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From sceptic60 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 28 20:34:21 2003
From: sceptic60 at hotmail.com (Andrew Robertson)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 20:34:21 +0000
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] [feature] proposal on cyberactions/attacks
Message-ID:
Hello all.
I have some queries about the feature proposal on DDOS attacks. I am
wandering whether there is concrete evidence that the new al-jazeera english
site was attacked or is it maybe. Could it have been because of so many
hits, or could it have been a technical problem at thee end. The point i
guess if it isn't known for sure then it's a problem putting it up as a
feature as it appears to be a maybe this happened.
The other objection is the link to a call for ddos attacks as anything in
the middle column is an editorial control, therefore potentially making us
liable.
That's my concerns
Cheers and respect
Andy
>From: Chris Croome
>To: imc-uk-emergency at email-lists.org
>CC: imc-uk-features at lists.indymedia.org
>Subject: Re: [imc-uk-emergency] [feature] proposal on cyberactions/attacks
>Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:50:34 +0000
>
>Hi
>
>On Fri 28-Mar-2003 at 06:02:57PM +0000, ionnek wrote:
> >
> > shit that the feats list is down.
>
>Yeah :-(
>
> > I agree its best to splet the 2 paragraphs, put them in 2 features.
> > but - maybe ignorant!- think that the al jazeera down on its own is not
> > enough for a feature
>
>Hmmm, good point, perhaps they are better together after all?
>
> > and, commenting on your new version, Chris: I don't like
> > publishing feats that say - may have been under dd attack. what we
> > know is that its down. and you found that great register article
> > analysing possible reasons. I would leave it at that - site down,
> > backup pages, possible reasons on register.
>
>Yes, I agree.
>
> > but I think our opinions don't need to be discussed in depth for a
> > feature - we don't need to agree.
>
>True, in any case the debate can only be had when the lists are back
>up...
>
>Chris
>
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From melendro333 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 28 21:14:47 2003
From: melendro333 at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Sara=20Melendro?=)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 21:14:47 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] [feature] proposal on cyberactions/attacks
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20030328211447.21762.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com>
Hiya,
I think Andrew has an important point with the issue of liability. In any case, I'm not particularly excited about cyberattacks which are just gonna fill the pages with lots of shouting and little use. But then again, if they do it, we not gonna just take either I guess (maybe tehre is alternatives?)
well, i jus tried to give my input but don't really have an answer (would like to hear more views), but i somehow don't like the idea of the cyberattacks.
sara
Andrew Robertson wrote:
Hello all.
I have some queries about the feature proposal on DDOS attacks. I am
wandering whether there is concrete evidence that the new al-jazeera english
site was attacked or is it maybe. Could it have been because of so many
hits, or could it have been a technical problem at thee end. The point i
guess if it isn't known for sure then it's a problem putting it up as a
feature as it appears to be a maybe this happened.
The other objection is the link to a call for ddos attacks as anything in
the middle column is an editorial control, therefore potentially making us
liable.
That's my concerns
Cheers and respect
Andy
>From: Chris Croome
>To: imc-uk-emergency at email-lists.org
>CC: imc-uk-features at lists.indymedia.org
>Subject: Re: [imc-uk-emergency] [feature] proposal on cyberactions/attacks
>Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:50:34 +0000
>
>Hi
>
>On Fri 28-Mar-2003 at 06:02:57PM +0000, ionnek wrote:
> >
> > shit that the feats list is down.
>
>Yeah :-(
>
> > I agree its best to splet the 2 paragraphs, put them in 2 features.
> > but - maybe ignorant!- think that the al jazeera down on its own is not
> > enough for a feature
>
>Hmmm, good point, perhaps they are better together after all?
>
> > and, commenting on your new version, Chris: I don't like
> > publishing feats that say - may have been under dd attack. what we
> > know is that its down. and you found that great register article
> > analysing possible reasons. I would leave it at that - site down,
> > backup pages, possible reasons on register.
>
>Yes, I agree.
>
> > but I think our opinions don't need to be discussed in depth for a
> > feature - we don't need to agree.
>
>True, in any case the debate can only be had when the lists are back
>up...
>
>Chris
>
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From: ionnek at gmx.net (ionnek)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 21:23:29 +0000
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] [feature] proposal on
cyberactions/attacks
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hi,
I don't think its for indymedia to encourage cyberattacks.
But IMHO, indymedia is a space to discuss them. There are very many
different ways. Like the people who called the army recruitment office in
their chats and ask them lots of questions.
I think we can, even have to report about cyber actions, as we are
reporting about demos. We report about road blockages, lock-ons, sit-ins
etc, although I think that not everybody in indymedia is in favour of these
actions.
I find the discussion about ddos attacks very interesting and would prefer
to have them in the comments on the newswire rather than on this list.
actually, lists are up again!
Ionnek
At 21:14 28/03/03, Sara Melendro wrote:
>Hiya,
>
>I think Andrew has an important point with the issue of liability. In any
>case, I'm not particularly excited about cyberattacks which are just gonna
>fill the pages with lots of shouting and little use. But then again, if
>they do it, we not gonna just take either I guess (maybe tehre is
>alternatives?)
>
>well, i jus tried to give my input but don't really have an answer (would
>like to hear more views), but i somehow don't like the idea of the
>cyberattacks.
>
>sara
>
> Andrew Robertson wrote:
>Hello all.
>
>I have some queries about the feature proposal on DDOS attacks. I am
>wandering whether there is concrete evidence that the new al-jazeera english
>site was attacked or is it maybe. Could it have been because of so many
>hits, or could it have been a technical problem at thee end. The point i
>guess if it isn't known for sure then it's a problem putting it up as a
>feature as it appears to be a maybe this happened.
>
>The other objection is the link to a call for ddos attacks as anything in
>the middle column is an editorial control, therefore potentially making us
>liable.
>
>That's my concerns
>
>Cheers and respect
>
>Andy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Chris Croome
> >To: imc-uk-emergency at email-lists.org
> >CC: imc-uk-features at lists.indymedia.org
> >Subject: Re: [imc-uk-emergency] [feature] proposal on cyberactions/attacks
> >Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:50:34 +0000
> >
> >Hi
> >
> >On Fri 28-Mar-2003 at 06:02:57PM +0000, ionnek wrote:
> > >
> > > shit that the feats list is down.
> >
> >Yeah :-(
> >
> > > I agree its best to splet the 2 paragraphs, put them in 2 features.
> > > but - maybe ignorant!- think that the al jazeera down on its own is not
> > > enough for a feature
> >
> >Hmmm, good point, perhaps they are better together after all?
> >
> > > and, commenting on your new version, Chris: I don't like
> > > publishing feats that say - may have been under dd attack. what we
> > > know is that its down. and you found that great register article
> > > analysing possible reasons. I would leave it at that - site down,
> > > backup pages, possible reasons on register.
> >
> >Yes, I agree.
> >
> > > but I think our opinions don't need to be discussed in depth for a
> > > feature - we don't need to agree.
> >
> >True, in any case the debate can only be had when the lists are back
> >up...
> >
> >Chris
> >
> >--
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From chris at croome.net Fri Mar 28 22:37:57 2003
From: chris at croome.net (Chris Croome)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 22:37:57 +0000
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] [feature] proposal on cyberactions/attacks
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <20030328223757.GC1533@croome.net>
Hi
On Fri 28-Mar-2003 at 08:34:21PM +0000, Andrew Robertson wrote:
>
> I am wandering whether there is concrete evidence that the new
> al-jazeera english site was attacked or is it maybe.
It's looking like a maybe to me at the moment.
I have just checked it again and it actually redirects to a web
interface for setting up a web site!
https://english.aljazeera.net:19638/webhost/rollout/site
Chris
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From chris at croome.net Fri Mar 28 23:56:00 2003
From: chris at croome.net (Chris Croome)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 23:56:00 +0000
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] [feature] proposal on cyberactions/attacks
In-Reply-To: <20030328223757.GC1533@croome.net>
References:
<20030328223757.GC1533@croome.net>
Message-ID: <20030328235600.GD1533@croome.net>
Hi
Some more info on this:
Notice: aljazeera.net website is offline.
URL forwarding traffic to aljazeera.net has been suspended due to an
overwhelming amount of traffic that has interupted services for our
customers.
http://www.aljazeera.net/
================================================================
For Immediate Release
March 27, 2003
Contact: Dotster Inc.
dotnews at dotster.com
ALJAZEERA.NET DOMAIN HACKED AND MOVED TO MYDOMAIN.COM
Arab satellite TV network???s nameservers changed to MyDomain URL
forwarding service by hacker; MyDomain reacts by suspending service.
VANCOUVER, Wash. ??? MyDomain.com, host to more than 600,000
domain names using its free URL forwarding and e-mail services,
discovered this morning the domain aljazeera.net had been moved to
MyDomain servers. MyDomain has learned from NavLink, the company
that hosts the aljazeera.net Web site from its data centers in
France, that Al Jazeera???s domain name account at Network
Solutions was compromised. The hacker changed the Web site???s
nameservers to point to MyDomain nameservers and erected a page
displaying the American flag.
In response, MyDomain has disabled its free URL forwarding service
to the domain aljazeera.net. NavLink has confirmed to MyDomain that
it has regained access to the account at Network Solutions and
changed the nameservers back to the correct settings. The nameserver
changes typically take between 24 and 72 hours to propagate on the
Internet.
http://mydomain.com/about/aljazeera
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From chris at croome.net Sat Mar 29 10:20:54 2003
From: chris at croome.net (Chris Croome)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 10:20:54 +0000
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] Script kiddies advocating DDoS attacks
Message-ID: <20030329102054.GA4096@croome.net>
Hi
You only need one script kiddy to launch a DDoS it is _not_
collective action.
If, for example, CNN had been DDoS'ed of the net as some of these
postings have advocated things like the use of napalm which was
reported on CNN wouldn't have got out:
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CNN303A.html
Do people really think that Indymedia isn't vunerable to a DDoS?
Perhaps it's only after it's too late and the internet has been
totally fucked up that people might realise that this kind of
behaviour on the net is totally innapropriate :-(
This is all the stuff from the last days advocating a DDoS:
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=60182&group=webcast
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=60183&group=webcast
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=60143&group=webcast
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=60012&group=webcast
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=59977&group=webcast
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=59944&group=webcast
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=59787&group=webcast
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=59763&group=webcast
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=59739&group=webcast
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=59736&group=webcast
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=59548&group=webcast
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=59427&group=webcast
Personally I have more useful things to do like going on a demo
today and reporting on it than replying to all this nonsense.
Sorry if this is email is grumpy, I didn't get enough sleep and this
shit is really pissing me off :-(
Chris
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From ionnek at gmx.net Sat Mar 29 11:36:03 2003
From: ionnek at gmx.net (ionnek)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:36:03 +0000
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] Script kiddies advocating DDoS attacks
In-Reply-To: <20030329102054.GA4096@croome.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030329111856.0288ecd0@pop.gmx.net>
chris,
I don't know if this is the time to reply to you about the ddos, you're so
angry.
But I'll try anyway. I'm sorry if you feel wound up by yet another ddos
intervention. It is just very important to me to consider in which ways
this technology can and can't make sense, and where the risks for indy are.
At 10:20 29/03/03, Chris Croome wrote:
>You only need one script kiddy to launch a DDoS it is _not_
>collective action.
You are right - and I just wrote a long reply to one of them. Also agree
that sabotaging the internet is in a way cutting the branch we're sitting
on. Without any positive outcome.
On the other hand, like any tool, I think DDos can also be used as an
efficient, collective political action tool. Certainly not if someone
downloads a script somewhere and posts it on indy. But kind of "half
manual" ddos attacks can make sense if they are embedded in a larger
campaign. The campaign against the Lufthansa operates on all channels. It's
basically an image pollution campaign against an airline that is
operational in deporting people. The "deportation class" uses traditional
demos on airports, they inform passengers, pilotes, stewards about the
deportation practice and also about what they can do against it. The
campaign is based on the "no one is illegal" network all over Germany,
people who help asylum seekers, lobby against racism and racist laws, go to
demos. The campaign interferes cleverly with the annual shareholder
meetings, and once, they did a ddos attack. they didn't use one strong
computer trying to bring the new lufthansa internet presence down. They
used a script that would only work if many people participated, and they
focussed on a mass participation of 13000 in their press release.
In this sense, I think ddosses can be more than just dangerous,
irresponsible script kid pranks.
As to the danger for indymedia - for some reason I'm not that worried that
indymedia gets ddos attacked. Its just not the usual target. People who
oppose indymedia, I think, would use other ways to bring us down.
For me, the danger for indymedia is always that we may be held liable for
what's posted on the newswire. We try to make clear the character of an
open platform (see ed guidelines), which is only restricted by the
editorial guidelines. But considering that they sued imc netherlands for
just providing a link to the incriminated website "radical", I guess that
we are always at risk. On the other hand, I don't want to get into a mode
of self-censorship.
it is a riddle.
Ionnek
>If, for example, CNN had been DDoS'ed of the net as some of these
>postings have advocated things like the use of napalm which was
>reported on CNN wouldn't have got out:
>
> http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CNN303A.html
>
>Do people really think that Indymedia isn't vunerable to a DDoS?
>
>Perhaps it's only after it's too late and the internet has been
>totally fucked up that people might realise that this kind of
>behaviour on the net is totally innapropriate :-(
>
>This is all the stuff from the last days advocating a DDoS:
>
> http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=60182&group=webcast
>
> http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=60183&group=webcast
>
> http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=60143&group=webcast
>
> http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=60012&group=webcast
>
> http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=59977&group=webcast
>
> http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=59944&group=webcast
>
> http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=59787&group=webcast
>
> http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=59763&group=webcast
>
> http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=59739&group=webcast
>
> http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=59736&group=webcast
>
> http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=59548&group=webcast
>
> http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=59427&group=webcast
>
>Personally I have more useful things to do like going on a demo
>today and reporting on it than replying to all this nonsense.
>
>Sorry if this is email is grumpy, I didn't get enough sleep and this
>shit is really pissing me off :-(
>
>Chris
>
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From ionnek at gmx.net Sat Mar 29 11:58:33 2003
From: ionnek at gmx.net (ionnek)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:58:33 +0000
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] 60182 hidden - why?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030329115720.0288c040@pop.gmx.net>
There was a double posting titled "Hack attack! Taking down criminal media
sites"
http://uk.indymedia.org:8081/front.php3?article_id=60182&group=webcast
I spent about an hour replying to one of them. When I had finished, I
realised that BOTH versions of the posting were hidden.
Was that a mistake? Because if not, I would feel rather irritated.
I see, like Chris, that there is a debate going on about ddos attacks on
our newswire. Mainly rather thoughtless postings, as far as I am concerned,
were people advocate the use of ddos, in a - again my opinion - half-baked
and sometimes actually endangering way.
Chris is trying to keep it at bay, arguing that all ddos attacks should be
considered as spam and defining all ddos attacks as attacks against freedom
of speech.
Although I agree with him that these calls are getting a bit too much, I
am, at present, still convinced that it makes sense to argue about these
postings in comments rather than hiding them. They are not the kind of
disruptive postings as we get from harlequin.
and, hey, I'm really pissed off that my masterpiece :-) was hidden! (cause
I have a right to radical speech as well!)
and without notifying emergency of features as well! grrrr.
Can somebody please explain?
Ionnek
From ionnek at gmx.net Sat Mar 29 13:35:22 2003
From: ionnek at gmx.net (ionnek)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 13:35:22 +0000
Subject: [Imc-uk-features] [imc-uk-emergency] DDoS - definition
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030329133242.028e9c10@pop.gmx.net>
Definition:
Distributed Denial of Service
Refers to DoS (Denial of Service) - an acronym for the disruption that
results from an attack on a network. Hackers execute a DoS with the intent
of blocking individuals' ability to access Web sites or e-mail. The most
common form of DoS results from an attacker who sends so many messages to a
Web site that it can't respond to regular users or it shuts down completely
(see: broadcast storm). DoS is a criminal act, even if done as a prank;
major attacks are aggressively investigated by the U.S. Department of Justice.
DDoS stands for "Distributed Denial of Service," an attack in which a
multitude of compromised systems attack a single target, thereby causing a
DoS for users of the targeted system. The flood of incoming messages to the
target system essentially forces it to shut down, thereby denying service
to legitimate users.
from:
http://www.netlingo.com
From ian at videonetwork.org Sat Mar 29 13:47:55 2003
From: ian at videonetwork.org (ian i-contact)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 13:47:55 +0000
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] feature proposal
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030329133137.00bbe430@mail.gurtlush.org.uk>
still having trouble mailing to list...
two things - i wanna propose a feature on Peace activist Jo Wilding's
excellent Baghdad diary -
http://www.bristol.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=3477&group=webcast
- if there is no objections i'll put it up tommorow..( we've already got a
piece done on front of Bristol indymedia, so i'll just transfer it to UK site )
secondly i agree with ionekk here - i'm disgusted to see the amount of
articles that have been hidden recently. what the fuck is going on ?
somebody is playing editor with the newswire and i'm starting to get
worried. I've seen three examples in the past 3 days of articles being
hidden when there is no reason to do so... a geezer in Bristol who writes
about the Bilderberg group had his announcement of this years meeting venue
hidden - why ?
if people are going to hide newswire articles surely they must write to the
list with an explaination of why an article should be removed? someone is
abusing their pass word - may be it needs to be changed ?
cheers
ian
From melendro333 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 29 18:13:28 2003
From: melendro333 at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Sara=20Melendro?=)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:13:28 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] bilderberg article
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030329133137.00bbe430@mail.gurtlush.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20030329181328.65981.qmail@web11002.mail.yahoo.com>
hi ian,
i can't tell you who hidde the Bilderberg post coz i don't know but i was doing 'cleaning' that day and someone else from imc sent me an email asking me why had it been hidden and if I had done it. I hadn't and I went back to the edit. page to read it and found it quite racist but I read it today again, and it has different content, is this possible? could the links have been messed up? is definitely not the same article!! (unless i read the wrong one then) But that same day(thursday i think) i kept getting different articles to the ones that were suppose to come up when cliking the title. Maybe that's an explanation, i'm not sure. Or maybe not and someone is playing it wrong...
sara.
ian i-contact wrote:still having trouble mailing to list...
two things - i wanna propose a feature on Peace activist Jo Wilding's
excellent Baghdad diary -
http://www.bristol.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=3477&group=webcast
- if there is no objections i'll put it up tommorow..( we've already got a
piece done on front of Bristol indymedia, so i'll just transfer it to UK site )
secondly i agree with ionekk here - i'm disgusted to see the amount of
articles that have been hidden recently. what the fuck is going on ?
somebody is playing editor with the newswire and i'm starting to get
worried. I've seen three examples in the past 3 days of articles being
hidden when there is no reason to do so... a geezer in Bristol who writes
about the Bilderberg group had his announcement of this years meeting venue
hidden - why ?
if people are going to hide newswire articles surely they must write to the
list with an explaination of why an article should be removed? someone is
abusing their pass word - may be it needs to be changed ?
cheers
ian
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From ionnek at gmx.net Sat Mar 29 18:49:29 2003
From: ionnek at gmx.net (ionnek)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:49:29 +0000
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] Re: [Imc-uk-features] about hiding
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030329133137.00bbe430@mail.gurtlush.org.uk>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030329184803.028ceba0@pop.gmx.net>
hi Ian
thanks for your mail & hope you don't mind if I use it to publicly give my
view about hiding.
I don't think that anybody is abusing their passwords.
I guess that you're aware that lots of "new" people have started to take
responsibility to "clean" the newswire. You probably know from experience
that most hiding is rather straigthforward - I mean double postings, party
rants, BNP press releases, repeat postings, spam.
In the "old" UK group (I refer to the website imc-uk), we went through a
long process re hiding - in the beginning, the feats list was notified of
every hiding, and reasons were given. Thats how the guidelines emerged,
slowly and collectively. As time went on, we became a bit sloppy about
notifying the list, cause everybody knew what the others were doing anyway.
Then the Manchester and Lanc network meetings happened, new people got
involved. In my view, in this situation, the list should be notified of
hidden articles. Maybe not necessarily double postings, but everything that
isn't completely obvious.
Good example is the Bilderberg posting. (by the way, it wasn't me who hid
it) For you, Ian, it's absolutely no problem. For me, this Bilderberg thing
is antisemitic, and I know from prior experience that it's unlikely that
we'll come to an agreement about that. But I don't think this is a big
problem. I'm not going to spend my days screening the newswire for
Bilderberg postings, I might not like them but I have better things to do.
It helps if people who are not working directly on the imc-uk site jump
into the discussion, or point to things they think should be (not) hidden.
To sum up - I find it incredibly important to publicly discuss our
policies, even if they are not coherent. After all, we are a very diverse
group, with views as diverse as the indy users themselves. But we need to
further develop the ground-rules about posting and hiding, although, as a
diverse group, we'll never come out with a fixed procedure.
bye,
Ionnek
At 13:47 29/03/03, you wrote:
>still having trouble mailing to list...
>
>two things - i wanna propose a feature on Peace activist Jo Wilding's
>excellent Baghdad diary -
>http://www.bristol.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=3477&group=webcast
>- if there is no objections i'll put it up tommorow..( we've already got
>a piece done on front of Bristol indymedia, so i'll just transfer it to UK
>site )
>
>
>secondly i agree with ionekk here - i'm disgusted to see the amount of
>articles that have been hidden recently. what the fuck is going on ?
>somebody is playing editor with the newswire and i'm starting to get
>worried. I've seen three examples in the past 3 days of articles being
>hidden when there is no reason to do so... a geezer in Bristol who writes
>about the Bilderberg group had his announcement of this years meeting
>venue hidden - why ?
>
>if people are going to hide newswire articles surely they must write to
>the list with an explaination of why an article should be
>removed? someone is abusing their pass word - may be it needs to be changed ?
>
>cheers
>ian
At 13:47 29/03/03, ian i-contact wrote:
>still having trouble mailing to list...
>
>two things - i wanna propose a feature on Peace activist Jo Wilding's
>excellent Baghdad diary -
>http://www.bristol.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=3477&group=webcast
>- if there is no objections i'll put it up tommorow..( we've already got
>a piece done on front of Bristol indymedia, so i'll just transfer it to UK
>site )
>
>
>secondly i agree with ionekk here - i'm disgusted to see the amount of
>articles that have been hidden recently. what the fuck is going on ?
>somebody is playing editor with the newswire and i'm starting to get
>worried. I've seen three examples in the past 3 days of articles being
>hidden when there is no reason to do so... a geezer in Bristol who writes
>about the Bilderberg group had his announcement of this years meeting
>venue hidden - why ?
>
>if people are going to hide newswire articles surely they must write to
>the list with an explaination of why an article should be
>removed? someone is abusing their pass word - may be it needs to be changed ?
>
>cheers
>ian
From ionnek at gmx.net Sat Mar 29 18:56:46 2003
From: ionnek at gmx.net (ionnek)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:56:46 +0000
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] Re: [Imc-uk-features] feature proposal
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030329133137.00bbe430@mail.gurtlush.org.uk>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030329185049.028c7ec0@pop.gmx.net>
At 13:47 29/03/03, ian i-contact wrote:
>still having trouble mailing to list...
>
>two things - i wanna propose a feature on Peace activist Jo Wilding's
>excellent Baghdad diary -
>http://www.bristol.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=3477&group=webcast
>- if there is no objections i'll put it up tommorow..( we've already got
>a piece done on front of Bristol indymedia, so i'll just transfer it to UK
>site )
I looked at the newswire posting Ian mentioned (couldn't find a feature
about it on Bristol site). I didn't read the entire thing, but from the
intro and a few diary entries I read, it looks excellent.
It gives an introduction about why Jo Wilding is in Iraq, followed by
extensive subjective diary entries. I propose to put a link to it in the
"alternative media" feature. Like: "check Jo Wilding's diary from Iraq" in
the last line of the first paragraph.
thanks for the info.
Ionnek
>secondly i agree with ionekk here - i'm disgusted to see the amount of
>articles that have been hidden recently. what the fuck is going on ?
>somebody is playing editor with the newswire and i'm starting to get
>worried. I've seen three examples in the past 3 days of articles being
>hidden when there is no reason to do so... a geezer in Bristol who writes
>about the Bilderberg group had his announcement of this years meeting
>venue hidden - why ?
>
>if people are going to hide newswire articles surely they must write to
>the list with an explaination of why an article should be
>removed? someone is abusing their pass word - may be it needs to be changed ?
>
>cheers
>ian
From chris at croome.net Sun Mar 30 02:53:01 2003
From: chris at croome.net (Chris Croome)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 02:53:01 +0100
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] Bust thumbnail on front page
Message-ID: <20030330015301.GB7530@croome.net>
Hi
The Menwith hill thumbnail on the UK front page, which was
referenced from this NC page:
http://nc.indymedia.org/news/2003/03/3315.php
Seems to have gone AWOL for some unknown reason :-(
If someone can put it on the UK server and change the src url that
would probably be best.
The original is here:
http://chris.croome.net/photos/2003/0322/095_Anti-War_Protestors_pre.jpg
Please don't reference it from this address though cos it's only on
a domestic ADSL line and it would melt it!
Chris
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From chris at croome.net Sun Mar 30 11:52:48 2003
From: chris at croome.net (Chris Croome)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:52:48 +0100
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] M29 newswire items that need linking in
Message-ID: <20030330105248.GB12083@croome.net>
Hi
These newswire items need adding into the M29 feature (which looks
great BTW :-)
Brixton photos
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=60316&group=webcast
Manchester BBC photos
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=60323&group=webcast
Edinburgh photos
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=60344&group=webcast
Edinburgh photos, inc sit-down
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=60412&group=webcast
ESSO picket Todmorden, West Yorkshire
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=60326&group=webcast
Oxford photos
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=60256&group=webcast
Chris
PS the Menwith thumbnail still needs fixing:
http://www.email-lists.org/pipermail/imc-uk-emergency/2003-March/000034.html
PPS I'm trying to resist replying to this (more ddos stuff...):
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=60409&group=webcast
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From melendro333 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 12:19:20 2003
From: melendro333 at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Sara=20Melendro?=)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 12:19:20 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] question about 'cleaning'
Message-ID: <20030330111920.76497.qmail@web11007.mail.yahoo.com>
hi,
just want to know general opinion. If there is a post by the likes of harlequin which clearly deserves to go, but someone else has replied to it, do you hide it even if this also takes away the response?
sara- learning ; )
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From ian at videonetwork.org Sun Mar 30 16:35:24 2003
From: ian at videonetwork.org (ian i-contact)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:35:24 +0100
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] Re: [Imc-uk-features] feature proposal
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030329185049.028c7ec0@pop.gmx.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030329133137.00bbe430@mail.gurtlush.org.uk>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030330162929.0242c688@mail.videonetwork.org>
with all due respect ionekk - I think Jo's diary deserves its own feature -
its great first hand reports shes putting out and is totally in spirit with
what indymedia is all about. In my opinion a small link in another feature
does not do this justice.
We have a feature already up on BIMC ( frontpage - scroll down four or five
features...) with photo. I'm gonna put this up later on tonight if theres
no other objections.
cheers
ian
At 18:56 3/29/2003 +0000, ionnek wrote:
>At 13:47 29/03/03, ian i-contact wrote:
>>still having trouble mailing to list...
>>
>>two things - i wanna propose a feature on Peace activist Jo Wilding's
>>excellent Baghdad diary -
>>http://www.bristol.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=3477&group=webcast
>>- if there is no objections i'll put it up tommorow..( we've already got
>>a piece done on front of Bristol indymedia, so i'll just transfer it to
>>UK site )
>
>I looked at the newswire posting Ian mentioned (couldn't find a feature
>about it on Bristol site). I didn't read the entire thing, but from the
>intro and a few diary entries I read, it looks excellent.
>It gives an introduction about why Jo Wilding is in Iraq, followed by
>extensive subjective diary entries. I propose to put a link to it in the
>"alternative media" feature. Like: "check Jo Wilding's diary from Iraq" in
>the last line of the first paragraph.
>
>thanks for the info.
>
>Ionnek
>
>
>
>
>>secondly i agree with ionekk here - i'm disgusted to see the amount of
>>articles that have been hidden recently. what the fuck is going on ?
>>somebody is playing editor with the newswire and i'm starting to get
>>worried. I've seen three examples in the past 3 days of articles being
>>hidden when there is no reason to do so... a geezer in Bristol who writes
>>about the Bilderberg group had his announcement of this years meeting
>>venue hidden - why ?
>>
>>if people are going to hide newswire articles surely they must write to
>>the list with an explaination of why an article should be
>>removed? someone is abusing their pass word - may be it needs to be changed ?
>>
>>cheers
>>ian
From chris at croome.net Sun Mar 30 22:23:06 2003
From: chris at croome.net (Chris Croome)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 22:23:06 +0100
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] M29 newswire items that need linking in
In-Reply-To: <20030330105248.GB12083@croome.net>
References: <20030330105248.GB12083@croome.net>
Message-ID: <20030330212306.GB14753@croome.net>
Hi
Some more M29 things added to this list of stuff to be added to the
feature follows (not sure abt Dublin since it's not in the UK...).
On Sun 30-Mar-2003 at 11:52:48AM +0100, Chris Croome wrote:
>
> Brixton photos
> http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=60316&group=webcast
>
> Manchester BBC photos
> http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=60323&group=webcast
Manchester BBC report and photos
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=60456&group=webcast
> Edinburgh photos
> http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=60344&group=webcast
>
> Edinburgh photos, inc sit-down
> http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=60412&group=webcast
Glasgow, report, heavy policing
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=60465&group=webcast
> ESSO picket Todmorden, West Yorkshire
> http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=60326&group=webcast
>
> Oxford photos
> http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=60256&group=webcast
Enfield report
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=60499&group=webcast
Dublin vid (windoze format, I've not looked at it)
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=60498&group=webcast
=========
> PS the Menwith thumbnail still needs fixing:
>
> http://www.email-lists.org/pipermail/imc-uk-emergency/2003-March/000034.html
The thumbnail from NC seems to be loading OK now, weird.
Chris
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Sheffield IMC: http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-sheffield
From chris at croome.net Sun Mar 30 22:49:30 2003
From: chris at croome.net (Chris Croome)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 22:49:30 +0100
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency]
Re: [Imc-uk-process] Upcoming Actions: Mayday: Critical Mass
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <20030330214930.GC14753@croome.net>
Hi
I guess this isn't the right list for this, but never mind :-)
On Sun 30-Mar-2003 at 08:53:45PM +0100, rkn wrote:
> Hi everyone, just requesting that a link to the Critical Mass
> website (http://cmlondon.enrager.net) be added to the blue
> upcoming actions panel on the IMCUK site. Both the OurMayday and
> GLATUC sites are listed there already.
I suggested the GLATUC be added, I'm sure nobody would object to
this being added.
This is the revised HTML (minus font tags) acronym element added:
May 1st:
UK-wide
OurMayday |
GLATUC
|
Critical Mass
Chris
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Sheffield IMC: http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-sheffield
From chris at croome.net Sun Mar 30 23:11:23 2003
From: chris at croome.net (Chris Croome)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 23:11:23 +0100
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] Re: [Imc-uk-process] Upcoming Actions: Mayday:
Critical Mass
In-Reply-To: <20030330214930.GC14753@croome.net>
References:
<20030330214930.GC14753@croome.net>
Message-ID: <20030330221123.GD14753@croome.net>
Hi
Looking at the GLATUC site the link might be best to this page:
http://www.glatuc.org.uk/mayday.html
Revised HTML:
May 1st:
UK-wide
OurMayday |
GLATUC
|
Critical Mass
Chris
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Sheffield IMC: http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-sheffield
From ian at videonetwork.org Mon Mar 31 00:57:01 2003
From: ian at videonetwork.org (ian i-contact)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 00:57:01 +0100
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] feature uploaded
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030331005644.0241ac68@mail.videonetwork.org>
>Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 23:49:14 +0100
>To: imc-uk-features-lists.indymedia.
>From: ian i-contact
>Subject: feature uploaded
>
>uploaded feature on Jo's Iraq diary
>
>cheers
>ian
>
>ps- we're testing a mirror for Bristol indymedia at the moment - its at
>http://bristolimc.dyndns.org/ - play with it and tell us if you come
>across any breaks...
From lists at j12.org Sat Mar 29 12:30:39 2003
From: lists at j12.org (Space Bunny)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 12:30:39 -0000
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] 60182 hidden - why?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030329115720.0288c040@pop.gmx.net>
Message-ID:
29.03.2003 11:58:33, ionnek wrote:
>There was a double posting titled "Hack attack! Taking down criminal media
>sites"
>
>http://uk.indymedia.org:8081/front.php3?article_id=60182&group=webcast
>
>I spent about an hour replying to one of them. When I had finished, I
>realised that BOTH versions of the posting were hidden.
>Was that a mistake? Because if not, I would feel rather irritated.
yes it was a mistake that both were hidden. 60182 should now be restored. The repeat remaing hidden.
sorry. I have been helping on trying to kill double posting because stuff drops from newswire so quick.
Space Bunny
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http://imcscotland.org
From allie.schumi at btopenworld.com Fri Mar 28 15:40:01 2003
From: allie.schumi at btopenworld.com (Allie Schumi)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:40:01 -0000
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency]
Message-ID: <003201c2f540$4c976ee0$365b8351@tecra520>
Hi
I think you have made a mistake on your webiste where you are telling people that there is 'direct action' being taken in Scotland. You say the assembly time is 1pm.
the stop the war coalition website for edinburgh says:
As Bush and Blair intensify their bombing of Iraq, we must intensify and expand our anti-war opposition. We are calling for people all over Scotland to demonstrate in Edinburgh this Saturday (29th).
...
Assemble 2pm at Waterloo Place near the US Consulate (not far from Waverley train station). Speakers list to follow.
Cheers
Allie
PS - wondering where you are based and if you need any admin support etc?
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From sb at j12.org Mon Mar 31 05:16:17 2003
From: sb at j12.org (Space Bunny)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 05:16:17 +0100
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] bilderberg article
In-Reply-To: <20030329181328.65981.qmail@web11002.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <93ECMGJGGCMHOJA0A8VT42OL04SM61V.3e87c111@zora>
29.03.2003 18:13:28, Sara Melendro wrote:
> i can't tell you who hidde the Bilderberg post coz i don't know
I do, it was me who hide one of posts:
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=59732
because it links to the racist:
http://www.americanfreepress.net/
though worse of their output is not on their website it is not good to have links to nazis on the site.
e.g. they only give subject listing at:
http://www.americanfreepress.net/Immigration/immigration.html
and another of my comrades in IMC Scotland later hide another without link as they felt even more stongly that even without link the article should be hidden.
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=59907
I also consulted others in IMC Scotland. I held back on comment pending this, and reflextion on implictions for the development of IMC.
This does not come at a good time, but never mind.
The American Free Press which came out of Spotlight, biggest holocaust denial paper in US.
also of interest may be some my views in exchanges a while back:
http://www.j12.org/files/bilder.htm
but I will have to update, and these notes are not pitch at present IMC consideration of this article.
please feel free to ring me if you want to know more. I am happy to email any IMCers who don't have my number who want it. I will be happy to call back to any UK
landline.
cheers,
Space Bunny
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http://freenetproject.org
From ionnek at gmx.net Mon Mar 31 10:59:12 2003
From: ionnek at gmx.net (ionnek)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:59:12 +0100
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] lists up - let's use them
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030331105604.02618a20@pop.gmx.net>
Hi all,
looks like the lists are back up - I propose to let emergency fall asleep
until the next emergency.
Ionnek
From anarchobabe at fempages.org Mon Mar 31 12:05:49 2003
From: anarchobabe at fempages.org (AnarchoBabe)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:05:49 +0100
Subject: [imc-uk-emergency] feature proposal
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030329133137.00bbe430@mail.gurtlush.org.uk>
Message-ID:
Hi all,
thanks very much to the Bristol lot for getting involved and interested again in the ImcUk
webpage and network project. It is good to see people from Bristol getting finally interested into the revitalised network project after taking so long an absence.
I guess everybody is happy to intensify the links to ImcBristol and to share input, opinions, information and resources, including features, reports, newswire articles and
else.
However, I would appreciate if disagreements could be resolved more politely, less imitading and less self-righteous, as we want to keep the lists positive and
constructive, especially if we are discussing on focussing about antisemitic content in the shared newswire.
http://uk.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=59907
This article about the Bilderberger has been hidden by me because of weird generalising nonfactual religious discriminative content, which is moreover notnews,
inaccurate, disruptive, hierarchical and repeatedly posted.
I have been active long enough in antifascist groups in Germany to know that it is fucking bullshit which does not require justification.
quote:
Keep a close eye too on Zionist attempts to rebuild Solomon's temple in Jerusalem, to expand Israel's borders and to wipe out the Palestinian people. The Zionist eye is
firmly on the main chance: feeding the fire of interreligious hatred amongst the worlds three monotheistic religions.
well, this seems to me an obvious reason to hide the article and rest of the article is no better, just more subtle, but still provides enough weird conspiracy madness to
hide. More worrying to me is that this author apparantly is able to be involved in the Indymedia project without getting chucked out, as this person apparantly does not
understand the editorial guidelines or the philosophy Indymedia comes from and represents.
Also I want to remind everybody, that we were having a discussion and agreement on the imcuk feature list to hidde more and more strictly unrelevenant stuff during the
war, as otherwise news reports about direct action against the war in the UK drop out too quickly from the newswire and are a pain to try to retrieve them via the search
option.
http://www.fempages.org