[LAF] Fwd: RE: {Disarmed} FW: [londonfeministnetwork] Statement on the 25th of November

Thu Nov 29 20:02:31 UTC 2007

--- michelle martin <kj10680 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:34:30 +0000 (GMT)
> From: michelle martin <kj10680 at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: RE: [LAF] {Disarmed} FW:
> [londonfeministnetwork] Statement on the 25th of
> November
> To: Joy Wood <joy_helbin at hotmail.com>
> 
> hey Joy, everyone
> 
> Yeah, is a great song, there is also 'Born of a
> Woman'
> on that album you might like, and plenty of other
> songs on other albums.
> I think songs are an excellent way of getting
> messages
> across - and is very  important to get these
> messages
> across to as large a group of peeps as possible - do
> not see how the sort of world we envision can be
> bought any closer without the majority actively
> understanding and wanting it.
> Do not get those kind of socialists /communists or
> whatever like trots who seem to think way to go is
> thru  leaders and vanguards,etc - totally defeats
> the
> purpose for me and is one main reason i prefer
> anarcho-communism.
> However not everyone has the time, ability and/or
> inclination to read heaps and go to meetings, etc,
> all
> the time.
> Is good to utilise other forms like films -
> documentary or drama, and songs.
> Totally agree with what was said back in the day,by
> wobblie organiser/agitator,etc Joe Hill , who wrote
> heaps of good songs, then when he was murdered by
> state, peeps have wrote songs for him and still have
> -
> Nighwatchman, Tom Morello's new project have just
> namechecked/written song about him.
> 
> "A pamphlet, no matter how good, is never read more
> than once, but a song is learned by heart and
> repeated
> over and over. And I maintain that if a person can
> put
> a few common sense facts into a song and dress them
> up
> in a cloak of humor, he will succeed in reaching a
> great number of workers who are too unintelligent or
> too indifferent to read." Joe Hill 
> 
> Ye, that was the thing i meant, i e-mailed it to
> list
> from Channel , so peeps could download 4OD and watch
> for free any programme that  channel 4 aired in last
> 30 days. Can also watch other programmes, from
> longer
> ago, but have to pay, but is free and easy to
> download, and free to watch anything from last 30
> days.
> 
> Was reading some stuff about sexual  violence
> towards
> girls and women in Congo at the moment, you have
> probably already read it , but will post tomorrow,
> as
> just waiting for a friennd to pick me up to go out
> and
> will probably be out all night, at will crash at
> hers.
> 
> thank you Joy, solidarity, mich 
> --- Joy Wood <joy_helbin at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Wow, thanks for telling me about "No Answer for a
> > Dancer" Mich, i just googled the lyrics because
> I've
> > never heard of Consolidated and they're really
> good,
> > I've posted them below.  Also, you're exactly
> right,
> > the march WAS a Reclaim the Night march and it was
> > followed by a mixed rally at ULU.  Do come next
> year
> > - it's always around The International Day to End
> > Violence Against Women (which was Sunday this year
> > so we marched on the Saturday night just before).
> >  
> > The Channel 4 video you say you sent, if that was
> a
> > link to Mark Thomas's documentary on Coca Cola,
> yes
> > I definitely got your post and it was brilliant. 
> If
> > you're talking about something else, though, Mich,
> I
> > don't remember seeing it.
> >  
> > Joy
> >  
> > "No Answer for a Dancer" by Consolidated
> >  
> > it was after the show and i’m loading out the van
> it
> > could’ve been anywhere but in this case atlantaa
> > woman walks up while i’m packing she says have you
> > got a minute i say yeah just a second how are you
> > did you enjoy the show she said i did but i still
> > have a question though ‘cuz some of your remarks
> > were confusing especially the ones about
> pornography
> > and prostitution now let me understand this that
> for
> > women and children this is violence well i
> > appreciate the messages you’re giving but i happen
> > to dance for a living and i want to know why you
> > want to be my voice try to take away that which
> > should be my choice to seek some meaningful and
> > gainful employment even if it means giving dirty
> old
> > men enjoyment now exploitation of anyone is wrong
> i
> > agree but this doesn’t apply to me i’ve never been
> > harassed while i work and my bottom line’s phat
> now
> > sir can you deal with that
> >  
> > you could already call the situation i wasn’t even
> > speculating about her occupation but this debate’s
> > insane and i was on the spot so i had to try to
> > explain her points were intelligent and simple and
> > i’m already feeling like mr. guilty white liberal
> > just try to be sensitive don’t act like i have any
> > advice to give let me make it clear i support you
> in
> > a man’s world a woman does what she’s got to if
> this
> > is your profession your sexual expression your
> > internalized oppressionhey i won’t doubt you my
> only
> > problem is with a society that forces women into
> > sexual commodity where a third of all women are
> > known to be sexually abused before they’re
> grownthe
> > most raped most homeless and addicted if this job
> > were described to you would you have picked it
> >  
> > average age fourteen hell yes obscene made to look
> > aroused by pain children being raped with guns and
> > knives that ain’t speech but the taking of
> > innocent’s lives if you happen to be the exception
> > that’s cool but let’s consider the overwhelming
> rule
> >  
> > we parted ways with no resolution you could go
> back
> > and forth and never find a solution the only point
> i
> > wanted to make to her is while all the liberals
> and
> > pornographersdecide where the line between porn
> and
> > erotica is this is what prostitution really is a
> > question of censorship alright of women’s and
> > children’s basic rightsand there’s no first
> > amendment protection for those unable to raise an
> > objection if they weren’t silenced they’d sound an
> > alarm and we’d all know the difference between
> > speech and harm you want to mutilate yourself on
> > film that’s your choice but can we protect those
> > without a voice i’d never get in your face i just
> > don’t want you to end up like linda lovelace the
> > bottom line is i’m a man and i listen to you
> because
> > i could never understand and i haven’t got shit to
> > say but if i don’t say anything well how long will
> > it be this way
> >  
> > [Hear the clip from Consolidated at the Listen to
> > Samples section of the Business of Punishment page
> > at Amazon]
> >  
> > > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:49:12 +0000> From:
> > kj10680 at yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [LAF] {Disarmed}
> > FW: [londonfeministnetwork] Statement on the 25th
> of
> > November> To: joy_helbin at hotmail.com;
> > laf at lists.aktivix.org> > Cheers for posting this
> > Joy. Horrifying and unsetting> to read, but
> > necessarry also. Am rubbish at computers> but hope
> i
> > have managed to 'scan and save' it to my>
> computer!
> > > I
> > suppose the one piece that sums up my attitude or>
> > come extremely close, is actually a song lyrics. >
> > Is no answer for a dancer by Consolidated, have u>
> > heard it, or seen the lyrics.> > am glad the march
> > type thing went ok, i would have> liked to come to
> > that, but am not always able to get> to the
> > computer, and get too much e-mail and spam, so>
> miss
> > lots of posts - i just hapened to see this cos>
> was
> > sitting here writing an e-mail
>  p.s. does anyone know
> > if the e-mail i sent via channel> 4 turned up as i
> > have gone back thru my e-mails and> cannot find
> it.
> 
> 
> > > --- Joy Wood <joy_helbin at hotmail.com> wrote:> >
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:53:08
> > +0000> > > > > > > > > > > > Last night's march in
> > London was brilliant and> > everything was so well
> > organised -Thanks to> > everyone. This statement
> is
> > a reminder that this is> > a worldwide issue that
> we
> > need to work on all the> > time.> > Sheila> > > >
> > WILPF Statement on the International Day for the>
> >
> > Elimination of Violence Against Women and the 16>
> >
> > Days of Activism Against Gender Violence > > > >
> The
> > 25th of November is International Day for the> >
> > Elimination of Violence Against Women. For the
> last>
> > > 15 years, from this day until UN Human Rights
> Day>
> > > (10 December) 16 Days of Activism Against
> Gender>
> > > Violence are observed, recognized by the UN
> since>
> > > 1999. Protecting women’s human rights and> >
> > eliminating violence against women has advanced> >
> > through the United Nations. Since 1995
> substantial>
> > > work has been done to implement the Beijing> >
> > Declaration and Platform for Action arising from
> > the> > 4th UN World Conference on Women; 185
> > countries –> > more than 90 percent of the UN
> member
> > states – have> > now ratified the 1979 Convention
> on
> > the Elimination> > of All Forms of Discrimination
> > Against Women> > (CEDAW); and, United Nations
> > Security Council> > adopted Resolution 1325 on
> > Women, Peace and Security> > in 2000.Despite this
> > recognition, violence against> > women is a
> reality
> > that cuts across borders, wealth,> > race,
> religion
> > and culture. Every day women> > experience
> extensive
> > violence, particularly in> > countries at war, in
> > crisis or conflict where> > women’s rights
> > deteriorate and are under pressure: > > > > One in
> > three women has been beaten, raped, coerced> >
> into
> > sex, or otherwise abused in her lifetime; 1 > >
> > Every fifth woman is subjected to rape or attempt
> > to> > rape; 1 > > 70 percent of the casualties in
> > recent conflicts> > have been non-combatants. 80
> > percent of these are> > women and children; 1 > >
> > Systematic rape, sexual violence and abuse in> >
> > Darfur, in Sudan, is used as a weapon in the war;
> 1
> > > > During the conflict between 1991 and 2002, it
> > is> > estimated that a third of all women and
> girls
> > in> > Sierra Leone were subjected to sexual
> > violence; 1 > > Since the 1999 war Kosovo has
> become
> > a major> > destination country for women and girls
> > trafficked> > into forced prostitution. Around
> 15-20
> > percent of> > the women are allegedly under 14
> > years; 1 > > In Colombia 3.5-4 million people are
> > displaced. The> > majority of these are women with
> > many children.> > There are reports of increased
> > violence against the> > women; 2 > > Every year
> > 14,000 Russian women die as a result of> >
> violence
> > in the home; 1 > > Every fifth day a Spanish woman
> > is killed by her> > partner; 1 > > One in three
> > Native American or Alaska Native women> > will be
> > raped at some point in their lives; 1 > > Every
> > fourth minute a woman in the USA is raped; 1 > >
> In
> > fourteen 
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