[LAF] Mysogyny

Tue Jul 7 07:27:02 UTC 2009

I would say porn and prostitution was only misogynistic if those taking part are being exploited (as is mostly the case under Capitalism), but if it is under the control of the women taking part it is misogynistic to oppose it, regardless of whether it is operating within a Capitalist or Anarchist economy. 

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>    1. 9th July  SPES BOOK CLUB FINAL
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> From: Ed McArthur <antines at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: [LAF] 9th July  SPES BOOK CLUB FINAL
> REMINDER
> To: London Anarchist Forum <laf at lists.aktivix.org>
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> South Place
> Ethical Society
> Conway Hall
> 25 Red Lion Square
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> THURS? 9th July? 7pm- 9pm
> SPES BOOK CLUB
> will discuss
> The Shock Doctrine
> ?by Naomi Klein
> ?published by Penguin Books (2007)
> facilitated by Emmet 
> see SPES PAGE AT 
> www.seculardiary.webs.com? 
> For program 12th & 19th July
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> Ed
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> Ed McArthur?? 07981? 900? 563??????????? 
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> From: Joy Wood <joy_helbin at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [LAF] UPDATE: Post action statement from no
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> Thanks for your remarks below, Ed
> 
> Just a quick note to say you're not the only person to be
> so outraged at anarchists who refuse to recognise misogyny
> within the anarchist movement.  For example, I recently
> read a condemnation of the promotion of prostitution
> (amongst the comments to the article on the link below)
> which reminded me of your criticism of the porn industry
> below.  It says - about anarchists who consider
> themselves 'sex-positive' because they favour prostitution
> for women - "anarchists for commercial rape are the reason I
> no longer do anarchist activism. They can tear down their
> own fucking prisons." 
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> http://antipornfeminists.wordpress.com/2009/01/18/what-are-we-reclaiming-for/
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> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 06:28:32 -0700
> From: antines at yahoo.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [LAF] UPDATE: Post action statement from no
> pretence
> To: laf at lists.aktivix.org;
> joy_helbin at hotmail.com
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> This only makes me more depressed about the anarchist
> movement 
> if in fact
>  
> There is such  a  thing or if there is is if it
> is  something I want tgo be part of
>  
> Misogymy  has never escaped the anarchist movement, or
> any other movement apart form feminism,  its there
> amoung the most supposedly progressive groups
> iT MAY BE THE RESULT OF SOCIAL CONDITIONING  but the
> vast majority of anarchist men do not even ma\ke the effort
> to throw it off beacause they dont want to
>  
> People who defend porn on ground of "free Speeech" or even"
> sexual freedom"
> are just defending their own interests nothing more noble
> than that further more they are 
>  
> defending one of the worst capitalists idustries there is
> and   they are promoting the abuse of women
>  
> All this being the case I  can no longer define myself
> as an anarchist
>  
> Ed
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> Ed McArthur   07981  900 
> 563            
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> www.freewebs.com/secularcivilrights
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> --- On Tue, 6/16/09, Joy Wood <joy_helbin at hotmail.com>
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> From: Joy Wood <joy_helbin at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [LAF] UPDATE: Post action statement from no
> pretence
> To: "LAF EMAIL LIST" <laf at lists.aktivix.org>
> Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 11:11 PM
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> On Sunday, June 7th a group of anarcha-feminists took the
> stage at the
> Anarchist Conference 09 to protest about sexist oppression
> within the anarchist movement. They projected a film and
> read out a statement.
> 
> Their actions went on to provoke a huge response - with
> comments ranging from undiluted misogyny to militant
> solidarity.
> 
> The misogyny provided more examples of the sexism we all
> battle with when we try and make our voices heard. Such
> attitudes make the prospect of fighting back more
> intimidating, but also increasingly urgent.
> 
> >From the audience:
> 
> "Are you going to do a sexy dance for us?".
> 
> And online:
> 
> "A wrote:
> Bear, was there any hotties present
> 
> "B wrote:
> a few. one of the radical feminists who disrupted it, and
> who I know
> looked really cute in black hoodie."
> 
> These comments are undeniably sexist, but hierarchical
> social relations cannot be reduced to personal insults or
> behaviour. Sexism thrives upon subtle and intangible
> processes which make gender domination and exploitation
> endemic.
> 
> Those responses to the action which asked, 'why did you
> take the mic from a woman?', 'why did you not include the
> woman at Speakers' Corner?', 'why did you criticise a poster
> designed by a woman?' were missing the point. For any focus
> we put on the numerical dominance of men is only a detail
> within our broader perspective on the institutionalised
> power arrangements reproduced and upheld by patriarchy.
> These can continue to operate in situations where a woman is
> taking the lead.
> 
> So the attempts in our film and text to expose and
> delegitimate prescribed gender roles must be seen within our
> larger analysis of gender oppression.
> 
> We are not fighting a battle between men and women, but one
> against the divisive gender labels that people remain
> obstinately attached to.
> Consequently, we reject the conception of a binary
> male-female
> relationship, in which sexist relations are always
> characterised by a male oppressor acting upon a female
> victim. We call for a rejection of liberal feminism's
> simplistic attempts to define and reform the oppressive
> system we want destroyed.
> 
> The action wasn't intended to be an attack on particular
> groups, or on the conference itself - it was meant to be a
> wake-up call to the
> movement as a whole, to bring sexism to light and to
> provoke debate and action around how gendered power is
> imposed.
> 
> Where particular groups are represented in the film this is
> because their visual material can be used to indicate wider
> sexism in the movement, not because they are more sexist
> than other groups.
> 
> The intervention was not carried out by pre-existing groups
> and should not be credited to particular individuals. Those
> who made it happen are strongly committed to responding to
> and facing its consequences, but are acting in the knowledge
> that it could have been carried out by so many others. By
> those who followed them as they left the conference, by
> those who responded from movements outside of the UK, by
> those who emailed to say that they had faced sexism in the
> movement for years and never had the confidence to express
> it. It is being carried out by all those who have shown
> solidarity.
> 
> NOT THE FINAL WORD
> 
> With those who want freedom from hierarchical systems, we
> should continue to meet, debate, fight, organise, write.
> 
> We call for critiques and improvements of our action. We
> call for a
> queering of our text. We call for new texts.
> 
> Claim this action as your own. Change it, fuck with it, and
> keep fighting forward.
> 
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