[LAF] rights

Thu Jul 23 17:43:48 UTC 2009

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VolodyA! V Anarhist wrote:
> Ed McArthur wrote:
>> I have taken the precaution of spell checking this post
> 
>> Joy is NOT calling anyone a "sexual receptacle" she is saying that that
>> is how people involved in the sex industry/ are being used/  which is
>> quite different , its also how the capitalists who run the sex industry 
>> and the customers of the sex industry see
>> sex workers especially female sex workers. 
> 
> It is Joy and not clients who see sex workers that way. I watch shit loads of
> porn, and thus can be qualified by your 'client' label, i even pay for one
> pornographic web-site for the membership. I do not see people who are there as
> 'sex receptacles' and neither is that type of opinion tolerated on the web-site
> (that rule is explicitly stated). The only people who i have heard express such
> beliefs are anti-sex feminists.

For the people who want to check out the rules for themselves:
http://www.vegporn.com/board/showthread.php?t=8

>>  You  have failed to address in any way the question of misogyny
>> without which there would be no demand for prostitution or porn
> 
> I address it quite directly. I openly say that 'question' (more of an assumption
> really) is false.
> 
>> Why are you so sure such attitudes would persists in a future Society ,
>> thereby creating the demand for "Voluntary"  sex work ?
> 
>> I am more concerned however about the present (2009)
>> Today Joy pointed out to me that Just down the road from
>>  where I live there is a large poster advertising cosmetic surgery for
>> Woman and promoting the idea of this being a good(and no doubt as a
>> subtext necessary)  thing
>> My res pone ?  " In 2009"  ( I also plan to subvert that particular ad)
> 
>> This is another example of misogyny the idea
>>  that women need to have cosmetic surgery to /improve /themselves for
>> the benefit of men
> 
> That is a loaded assumption. It *is* a problem that we have to 'improve'
> ourselves constantly in the capitalist society, in order to create the rat-race
> culture. But as that has fuck all to do with sex work, i did not address it.
> There are also problems of diminishing water supplies in Africa, but we are also
> not discussing those in relation to sex work, are we?
> 
>> Your whole position fails to address the question of why such attitudes
>> persist and how to educate against them, you seem
>> to want to accommodate them and then spin them out using the language of
>> freedom and choice and accusing those who do
>> of opposing those things and being anti sex to boot
> 
>> Ed
> 
> Your final statements are also false. I have started the whole discussion with
> the acknowledgement that prostitution is a part of capitalist society, and as
> such needs to stop. In the same way as restaurants and universities need to stop
> existing. But i am not going to advertise the idea that we need to 're-educate'
> those who cook food or prepare lectures. What we do need to do (in 2009) is to
> remove the stigma associated with the people (for example about calling them
> 'sexual receptacles').
> 
>                     - Volodya
> 
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>> --- On *Thu, 7/23/09, VolodyA! V Anarhist
>> /<Volodya at WhenGendarmeSleeps.org>/* wrote:
> 
> 
>>     From: VolodyA! V Anarhist <Volodya at WhenGendarmeSleeps.org>
>>     Subject: Re: [LAF] rights
>>     To: "List - London Anarchist Forum" <laf at lists.aktivix.org>
>>     Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 12:10 PM
> 
>> Joy Wood wrote:
>>> Putting aside for the moment the fact the subject - ie, that in
>>> prostitution (mostly) women are being sexually harassed and exploited
>>> and their own human needs and sexual desires negated - has once again
>>> been dropped in favour of erroneously accusing _anti-prostitution
>>> activists_ of being anti-_prostituted-women_ theorists.....the
>> argument
>>> below seems to hinge on the idea that because human beings are
>> rapacious
>>> it is necessary for some women men and LGBTI adults and children to be
>>> set aside as an underclass (voluntarily if possible, or paid or bribed
>>> if not) to be used as sexual receptacles so that others can be saved
>>> from rape.
>> Why are you calling human beings (prostitutes and other sex workers)
>> 'sexual
>> receptacles'? I think that fits even your definition of sexual
>> harassment.
> 
>>                     - Volodya
> 
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