[LAF] Re Re: anarcha-feminism

[Joy Wood]

Well said, Ed

Joy
 


Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:16:53 +0000
From: antines at yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re Re: [LAF] anarcha-feminism
To: steveash_2001 at yahoo.co.uk; laf at lists.aktivix.org; joy_helbin at hotmail.com







 
I  agree with everything below  that Joy has said, you do seem to be rather  sexist
in your attitudes to Joy and Sarah dismissing them while making no attempt to address the issues 
 
Sarah is most certainly not a troll as I understand the term, she is a member of this list with a legitimate view which you don't happen to like so you resort to cheap insults, not good and not indicative of a more positive attitude to women's rights
among  some male anarchists in the near future
 
 
In addition I have still not had it explained  why  defending
porn is so  much more important than
defending the rights of women and children
 
Porn does reflect the misogynistic attitude to women with out
a doubt,  so to defend it in the name of "Free Speech" is tunnel vision

The argument "I have a right to look at what I like"  ignores the fact
that  there  is also the question of the women and children who are
 harmed in its making of porn Joy has a lot of information about this
 
I repeat porn is a multi million pound industry
and customers of porn are most definitely part of-the problem as they are helping
to keep porn merchants in business, why in a liberated future would men still want to gaze at pictures of women in degraded situations ?  Why is this part of so called
 
"human nature" ? (I dislike this term it strikes me as something like a secular version
 
of original  sin it seems to imply that people cannot change, if this is true then there is no possibility of an anarchist society)
 
Ed
 
 


 
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www.freewebs.com/secularcivilrights
 
 
 
   
 
 

--- On Mon, 7/27/09, Joy Wood <joy_helbin at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Joy Wood <joy_helbin at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [LAF] anarcha-feminism
To: "steve ash" <steveash_2001 at yahoo.co.uk>, "LAF EMAIL LIST" <laf at lists.aktivix.org>
Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 12:26 AM




> To Sarah the Troll, I would simply state I can't be a misogynist as I don't recognise a universalised gender or acknowledge the category 'woman', I treat everyone I meet as an individual not a stereotype and judge them on that basis. This is actually how most people naturally relate to each other, unfortunately most of them regard sex workers as 'sluts', and their sisters, mothers and gfs as not, but carry on using sex workers of course. So I don't see any negative effect on 'women-as-a-whole' out there, just bigotry against sex workers. 
> 
"Sarah the Troll" - this is a personal insult, and hence harassment, not an argument.  No-one should have to put up with it.  Stop harassing women.
 
As for you saying you treat people as individuals this is clearly not the case.  Sarah, Ed and I have similar views on matters of prostitution and we have stated them on this elist yet your attitude towards Ed is one of amused joshing, eg Ed is "naive" or "confused" this is markedly different from your blatant insults to women as being "feminazi" or "troll" which is no response to the argument at all but only an attempt to dismiss / invisiblise the real issue.  Your comment about "bigotry against sex workers" attempts to change the agenda of working against prostitution to instead a fabricated 'cat-fight' between imaginary enemies where, according to you, in one corner is a female sex worker and in the other is a feminazi bigot or, to use Volodya's preferred term, an 'anti-sex' antagonist.



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