<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><DIV align=center><FONT size=3>Ok : Granted Proposition K, should be supported as it would reduce the </FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=center><STRONG><FONT size=3>power of the police and putting prostitutes in Jail is not the answer and they should certainly be protected from murder and rape</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV align=center><STRONG><FONT size=3> but </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV align=center><STRONG><FONT size=3></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV align=center><STRONG><FONT size=3>Are you saying prostitution is somehow a solution to poverty ? because its not(I don't think you are but you could give that impression - you know "Prostitution provides poor women with a better income than working for min wage in a supermarket") is an argument I hear from right and some left wing libertarians)</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV align=center><STRONG><FONT size=3></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV align=center><STRONG><FONT size=3>Most supporters of the proposition are so called right wing "libertarians" ( the are not libertarian because they believe in socially coercive relations but think they should be private) who see women and indeed people </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV align=center><STRONG><FONT size=3>as commodities to be bought and sold . </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV align=center><STRONG><FONT size=3></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV align=center><STRONG><FONT size=3>The same people used the same arguments to oppose</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV align=center><STRONG><FONT size=3> the ending of slavery (Some of them even </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV align=center><STRONG><FONT size=3>claimed that</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV align=center><STRONG><FONT size=3>slavery was good for the slaves) when slavery was abolished former slaveholders were paid compensation</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV align=center><STRONG><FONT size=3>for loss of their "Property Rights" The rights of "sex workers" and pimps are no more valid than those of the erstwhile slaveholders</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV align=center><STRONG><FONT size=3></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV align=center><STRONG><FONT size=3>Most prostitution is based in poor areas, its the <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1225374229_0>poor people</SPAN> who have to suffer from the pimps, the men who harass women who are not prostitutes and yes the dirty needles and discarded condoms which are a health hazard for poor people who don't have <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1225374229_1>access to health care</SPAN> or indeed health education</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV align=center><STRONG><FONT size=3></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV align=center><STRONG><FONT size=3>Why should people who LIVE in the district not have a say this is grass roots feeling not the state imposing from above its not a question of being anti sex but being</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV align=center><STRONG><FONT size=3>anti <SPAN>commerical</SPAN> sex</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV align=center><STRONG><FONT size=3></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV align=center><STRONG><FONT size=3>Why do so many people on the libertarian - left have such a different attitude to the SEX industry than to other forms of commerce ?</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV align=center><STRONG><FONT size=3></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV align=center><STRONG><FONT size=3>Ed</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 10/30/08, Echo of Freedom <I><EchoOfFreedom@riseup.net></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Echo of Freedom <EchoOfFreedom@riseup.net><BR>Subject: Re: [LAF] Blog post on de-criminalisation of prostitution in San Francisco<BR>To: "List - London Anarchist Forum" <laf@lists.aktivix.org><BR>Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 8:29 AM<BR><BR><PRE>Echo of Freedom wrote:
>
http://www.melissagira.com/2008/10/29/keeping-san-francisco-safe-from-prostitutes/
>
> Who really is opposing Proposition K, a ballot initiative now before San
> Francisco voters, which would forbid the City from spending public funds
on
> arresting and jailing sex workers? Even among sex workers, this ballot
> initiative is not without controversy. We do recognize one common ground:
that
> so long as sex workers are criminals, sex workers will never have full
civil and
> human rights. Who would oppose the right of sex workers to organize their
own
> labor, to have access to health care, to hold law enforcement to the same
> standards as other citizens do? Who would say that it’s not important to
prevent
> rape, assault, and even murder of sex workers, if it would risk reducing
their
> property values?
>
> The biggest opposition to Prop K isn’t anti-prostitution feminist
groups. It’s
> “neighborhood associations.” Unlike even the most socially
conservative
> feminists, they never say, I don’t want sex workers to be raped. They
say, I
> don’t want to see sex workers. Don’t want to see them on their front
steps.
> Don’t want to see their clients or “pimps.” Don’t want to see
condoms, or
> syringes. In short: don’t want to see poverty, don’t want to see poor
people.
>
> ...
> (for more see the link)
>
And make sure to read and re-read this part:
"San Francisco’s Director of STD Control & Prevention supports Prop
K for this
reason: if cops are using condoms against sex workers as evidence of intention
to commit a crime, how does that keep anyone in San Francisco safe?"
--
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