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<DIV><EM><STRONG>I agree with everything below that Joy has said, you do seem to be rather sexist</STRONG></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><STRONG>in your attitudes to Joy and Sarah dismissing them while making no attempt to address the issues </STRONG></EM></DIV>
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<DIV><EM><STRONG>Sarah is most certainly not a troll as I understand the term, she is a member of this list with a legitimate view which you don't happen to like so you resort to cheap insults, not good and not indicative of a more positive attitude to women's rights</STRONG></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><STRONG>among some male anarchists in the near future</STRONG></EM></DIV>
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<DIV><EM><STRONG>In addition I have still not had it explained why defending</STRONG></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><STRONG>porn is so much more important than</STRONG></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><STRONG>defending the rights of women and children</STRONG></EM></DIV>
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<DIV><EM><STRONG>Porn does reflect the misogynistic attitude to women with out</STRONG></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><STRONG>a doubt, so to defend it in the name of "Free Speech" is tunnel vision</STRONG></EM></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>The argument "I have a right to look at what I like" ignores the fact</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>that there <EM> is also the question of the women and children who are</EM></STRONG></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><EM><STRONG> <U>harmed</U> in its making of porn Joy</STRONG> <STRONG>has a lot of information about this</STRONG></EM></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><U>I</U> repeat porn is a multi million pound industry</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>and customers of porn are most definitely part of-the problem as they are helping</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>to keep porn merchants in business, why in a liberated future would men still want to gaze at pictures of women in degraded situations ? Why is this part of so called</STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>"human nature" ? (I dislike this term it strikes me as something like a secular version</STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>of original sin it seems to imply that people cannot change, if this is true then there is no possibility of an anarchist society)</STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>Ed</STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 7/27/09, Joy Wood <I><joy_helbin@hotmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Joy Wood <joy_helbin@hotmail.com><BR>Subject: Re: [LAF] anarcha-feminism<BR>To: "steve ash" <steveash_2001@yahoo.co.uk>, "LAF EMAIL LIST" <laf@lists.aktivix.org><BR>Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 12:26 AM<BR><BR>
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> To Sarah the Troll, I would simply state I can't be a misogynist as I don't recognise a universalised gender or acknowledge the category 'woman', I treat everyone I meet as an individual not a stereotype and judge them on that basis. This is actually how most people naturally relate to each other, unfortunately most of them regard sex workers as 'sluts', and their sisters, mothers and gfs as not, but carry on using sex workers of course. So I don't see any negative effect on 'women-as-a-whole' out there, just bigotry against sex workers. <BR>> <BR>"Sarah the Troll" - this is a personal insult, and hence harassment, not an argument. No-one should have to put up with it. Stop harassing women.<BR> <BR>As for you saying you treat people as individuals this is clearly not the case. Sarah, Ed and I have similar views on matters of prostitution and we have stated them on this elist yet your attitude towards Ed is one of amused
joshing, eg Ed is "naive" or "confused" this is markedly different from your blatant insults to women as being "feminazi" or "troll" which is no response to the argument at all but only an attempt to dismiss / invisiblise the real issue. Your comment about "bigotry against sex workers" attempts to change the agenda of working against prostitution to instead a fabricated 'cat-fight' between imaginary enemies where, according to you, in one corner is a female sex worker and in the other is a feminazi bigot or, to use Volodya's preferred term, an 'anti-sex' antagonist.<BR><BR>
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