Mailtda's non-commercial use clause, was: Re: [matilda] crisisof consensus

[Amparo P Gutierrez]

Now that Rocky has gone to Paris, a cobweb of forwarded replies ...

Let's set up this brewery Chris is proposing, simultaneously to a roof 
garden with greenhouse and hydroponics weed factory: we would then have 
two legal factories(if it's legal to brew and grow): whatever happens 
aftwerwards it's hypothetical and mere supposition, since matilda may be 
demolished earlier.

And what would our accomplishments be? Having stopped an inhome artist's 
shop? Having built ramps for 100 physically disabled persons who never came?


bark bark bark...
:-)

> 
>> Plus it would mean that we were producing real ale rather than 
>> chemically enhanced rubbish, and could actually develop a brew unique to 
>> Matilda, which might be fun.

Plus we could (it's not that difficult) get the copyright for a MATILDA 
tradename or brand, and web domain.

Real ale and real weed, why not?

amp



Chris Malins wrote:

> I have suggested in the past that it would be possible to set up a 
> microbrewery/mega-home brewery in Matilda, although people seemed not to 
> take me very seriously, and I haven't made a concrete proposal because I 
> wouldn't have time to run the whole process myself. But it would be very 
> easy to turn out 100 odd pints a week if we got going and set aside 2 
> small secure rooms (one warm one cold) somewhere, and even if we were to 
> use brewing kits it would cut costs and reduce our input into the 
> exploitative alcohol industry, plus allow us to show support for 
> relatively local sourcing. If we brewed properly from grain, we could 
> locally (and probably organically) source that, but we would need heat 
> source eg. calor gas stove so it becomes more of a safety issue, and 
> would need a lot more time.
> 
> Plus it would mean that we were producing real ale rather than 
> chemically enhanced rubbish, and could actually develop a brew unique to 
> Matilda, which might be fun.
> 
> On the other hand, if we were to start selling it on a regular and large 
> scale basis there would be legal issues not entirely different to 
> selling beer without a license from the cafe collective, but we would be 
> an unlicensed brewery.
> 
> Chris
> 
> atw wrote:
> 
>> All of the arguments against the Art shop have been based on
>> principles rather than practical reasons (like we don't have the
>> space, it wouldn't work etc.).
>>
>> The principle is that we don't want the Matilda space to be used for
>> private financial gain.
>>
>> The thing with principles is that for them to mean anything they have
>> to be applied consistently to all cases. If they're not then they are
>> worthless.
>>
>> If Matilda were to agree to the above principle then we have to apply
>> it consistently. That means anything sold in Matilda where some of the
>> profits were used for private financial gain should also not be
>> allowed.
>>
>> The most obvious activity that should cease as a result of the above
>> principle has to be the selling of alcohol. Private profits go to: the
>> shop it was bought from, the distributer, and the manufacturer. In
>> fact a whole bunch of people from shop assistants to lorry drivers and
>> corporate directors profit (privately gain) from our selling of
>> alcohol.
>>
>> Unlike the artists who might sell their work, some of those in the
>> alcohol chain are properly exploited in the Marxian sense. Surplus
>> value goes the owners of the means of production. So we could say that
>> the selling of alcohol is actually far worse than the selling of
>> locally produced art. Alcohol entails exploitation, art direct from
>> artists does not.
>>
>> Therefore if the Art shop is stopped on the above principle we must
>> also stop the selling of alcohol too. The only source of alcohol
>> permissible would be that brewed by people who make no private
>> financial gain at all - though I admit finding such a source might be
>> tricky.
>>
>> Ideally we could make our own. But we don't live in an ideal world. I
>> like Tequila. I'd need an ethical source of cacti to start with. Maybe
>> the Zapatistas can send us some.
>>
>> steve
>>
>> PS this is basically what Steve was saying in Monday's meeting and has
>> yet to be refuted.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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