[matilda] Re: matilda Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48

[Lesley]

Well i don't know whose getting shagged but its not me - literally or
metaphorically - am i missing something? or do i count as one of the derby
or joneses because I am so old....

Its true we do drone on a lot but so what - its our list and we'll drone on
as much as we like - you can join in or not as you please.  And yes, we do
have some stonking parties which involve some of us getting off our
heads....again why not - we do loads of other things as well.  why don't you
come down and check it out instead of chuntering from the sidelines.

Lesley


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>    1. Party Time!!!! (Kathleen Holliday)
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>    3. Re: Party Time!!!! (nickwiltsher at warpmail.net)
>    4. Re: Party Time!!!! (dougald hine)
>    5. Re: Party Time!!!! (Chris Malins)
>    6. Re: Party Time!!!! (atw)
>    7. Doug the man and atw (Kathleen Holliday)
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> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:03:47 +0100
> From: "Kathleen Holliday" <otter at blueyonder.co.uk>
> Subject: [matilda] Party Time!!!!
> To: <matilda at lists.aktivix.org>
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> Dear Matilda, I may as well find some old lady called Matilda to write to
because the rest of you are ridiculous.
> You are playing games and partying, painting walls and arguing about who
uses what space inside your nice little borrowed house before it gets pulled
down and who will make the coffee at the next meeting.
> Or getting blind drunk and rowing with each other about who cleans the
windows.
>
> In the time you waste instead of getting off your arses and going and
doing a politics degree you leave that to the only people who can afford it,
that's the snotty kids who'd be starving while studying if their parents
weren't selling off our greenbelt land, filling our planet with filth and
coercing to destroy our health service and starve to death the poor who need
state benefits. So the only ones actually DOING anything are the fascist
kids while you lot play your comfortable games and think you're cool.
>
> I have read this mailing list from the start because I wanted to be a part
of anything that's for a positive balance in these days of political,
commercial and environmental negativity, but what a waste of time to listen
to psuedo socialists, pseudo communists, psuedo free-thinkers argue and
bicker, anyone would think we lived in 18th century Russia!!! And in case
you think you are like those particular communists, let me remind you that
they did the same as the fascists :- they got others to do the dirty work
and then stabbed them in the back to seize power.
>
> To think I actually considered giving you my time and attention!!!
>
> What are you lot aiming for? why are you playing stupid games of housy?
Clowns you are and clowns you deserve to be.
> You can take me off the mailing list if that's all you have to offer,
that's if you aren't too busy with your derby and jones, getting off your
heads and shagging each other because that's what it sounds like to me.
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> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:21:51 +0100
> From: atw <againstthewar at totalserve.co.uk>
> Subject: Re[2]: [matilda] Clarity over Gig space collective proposals
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> >> "The proposal at the monday meeting was
> >> that people wanting to do gigs should submit some kind
> >> of accounts as to costs and where the money would be
> >> going."
>
> cuthbert> On the form that is being produced for people to fill in if
> cuthbert> they want to put events on there will be a part on that form
> cuthbert> for the event organiser to tell us what the estimated
> cuthbert> overall cost of the event will be, how many people they are
> cuthbert> expecting to turn up and the price for entry (if there is
> cuthbert> any).
>
>
> Is the form going to be simply a paper one? It would be far more
> accessible if a wiki page for this was set up instead. Then it could
> be viewed with ease by everyone, couldn't get lost, and would give
> people time to think about it before the meeting.
>
> steve
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> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:21:29 +0100
> From: nickwiltsher at warpmail.net
> Subject: Re: [matilda] Party Time!!!!
> To: matilda at lists.aktivix.org
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> gosh.  Are we all shagging each other?  I must have missed that
> meeting...when does the orgy collective have its meetings?  Is that what
> all the mattresses are for?
>
> and who the hell are derby and jones?  And what's wrong with clowns?
>
>
> > What are you lot aiming for? why are you playing stupid games of housy?
> > Clowns you are and clowns you deserve to be.
> > You can take me off the mailing list if that's all you have to offer,
> > that's if you aren't too busy with your derby and jones, getting off
your
> > heads and shagging each other because that's what it sounds like to me.
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:22:39 +0100
> From: dougald hine <writetodougald at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [matilda] Party Time!!!!
> To: Kathleen Holliday <noworris at blueyonder.co.uk>, "M.A.T.I.L.D.A."
> <matilda at lists.aktivix.org>
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> Dear Kathleen,
>
> Thank you for your sublime contribution.
>
> A couple of questions -
>
> 1. Have you ever actually been to Matilda?
>
> 2. What fantastic things are you doing to change the world - except
> for criticizing everyone else for failing to change it?
>
> This mailing list is definitely a pain in the arse sometimes. But the
> list isn't everything that happens at Matilda - it's just somewhere
> where the more long-winded of us thrash out our sometimes very tedious
> arguments. Judging what Matilda achieves by these emails is a bit like
> measuring the output of a factory by the conversations that go on in
> the canteen.
>
> Frankly, it would be weird for anyone not actively involved in the
> social centre to want to be on this mailing list, so I think it's wise
> of you to unsubscribe.
>
> Your remarks are a reminder that we waste too much energy on silly
> inward-focused arguments. But as for being ridiculous - Kathleen,
> human beings are ridiculous. Never moreso than when we're being
> pompous. (And I should know!) If your political theory is in denial
> about the basic ridiculousness of human beings, you'll always end up
> lashing out at them. If you haven't much power, that will just make
> you look ridiculous too. If you had a lot of power, with the same
> attitude, it would probably make you genocidal.
>
> D.
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:23:37 +0100
> From: Chris Malins <chrismalins at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [matilda] Party Time!!!!
> To: Kathleen Holliday <otter at blueyonder.co.uk>
> Cc: matilda at lists.aktivix.org
> Message-ID: <435D1899.50800 at gmail.com>
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> Has someone been getting more sex than me? Goddammit.
>
> And can you feel the love tonight
> It is where we are
> It's enough for this wide-eyed wanderer
> That we got this far
> And can you feel the love tonight
> How it's laid to rest
> It's enough to make kings and vagabonds
> Believe the very best
>
> PS. Kathleen, what exactly were you expecting/hoping for?
>
> Kathleen Holliday wrote:
> > Dear Matilda, I may as well find some old lady called Matilda to write
> > to because the rest of you are ridiculous.
> > You are playing games and partying, painting walls and arguing about who
> > uses what space inside your nice little borrowed house before it gets
> > pulled down and who will make the coffee at the next meeting.
> > Or getting blind drunk and rowing with each other about who cleans the
> > windows.
> >
> > In the time you waste instead of getting off your arses and going and
> > *doing a politics degree* you leave that to the only people who can
> > afford it, that's the snotty kids who'd be starving while studying if
> > their parents weren't selling off our greenbelt land, filling our planet
> > with filth and coercing to destroy our health service and starve to
> > death the poor who need state benefits. So the only ones actually DOING
> > anything are the fascist kids while you lot play your comfortable games
> > and think you're cool.
> >
> > I have read this mailing list from the start because I wanted to be a
> > part of anything that's for a positive balance in these days of
> > political, commercial and environmental negativity, but what a waste of
> > time to listen to psuedo socialists, pseudo communists,
> > psuedo free-thinkers argue and bicker, anyone would think we lived in
> > 18th century Russia!!! And in case you think you are like those
> > particular communists, let me remind you that they did the same as the
> > fascists :- they got others to do the dirty work and then stabbed
> > them in the back to seize power.
> >
> > To think I actually considered giving you my time and attention!!!
> >
> > What are you lot aiming for? why are you playing stupid games of housy?
> > Clowns you are and clowns you deserve to be.
> > You can take me off the mailing list if that's all you have to offer,
> > that's if you aren't too busy with your derby and jones, getting off
> > your heads and shagging each other because that's what it sounds like to
me.
> >
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:50:37 +0100
> From: atw <againstthewar at totalserve.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [matilda] Party Time!!!!
> To: matilda at lists.aktivix.org
> Message-ID: <1755608118.20051024185037 at totalserve.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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>
> Kathleen> To think I actually considered giving you my time and
attention!!!
>
>
> Your thinking reveals an us and you division. Why do you feel so
> alienated? To me it seems like you are thinking of yourself as a
> consumer and have expectations of us, the providers.
>
> It doesn't work like that.
>
>
>
>
> Kathleen> What are you lot aiming for? why are you playing
> Kathleen> stupid games of housy? Clowns you are and clowns you deserve
> Kathleen> to be.
> Kathleen> You can take me off the mailing list if that's
> Kathleen> all you have to offer, that's if you aren't too busy with
> Kathleen> your derby and jones, getting off your heads and shagging
> Kathleen> each other because that's what it sounds like to me.
>
> I don't know what 'derby and jones' is. I don't see a problem with
> shagging or getting off one's head. Both are fairly standard practice
> for most of the population these days. Being political does not
> necessite becoming a monk, though if you are monk you shouldn't feel
> excluded.
>
> If you want to leave the email list you can unsubscribe yourself.
> Maybe that's what you don't understand. Matilda is about DIY culture.
> Do it yourself. If you have a problem with what's going on there then
> you have as much right and power to organise events and steer things
> the way you want as anyone else.
>
> Have you even thought about how you would like to the space used? If
> so then why not suggest something at a meeting or chat at the social
> and see if there are others who are willing to join you.
>
> I don't understand your cynical attitude at all. I see Matilda as a
> very positive thing. It's brought a lot of people together on a
> regular basis, has raised money for campaigns, and got people doing
> very positive stuff - like the new kitchen, the no borders group, the
> hack lab, film shows, and yes the parties. What's wrong with parties
> when people aren't being exploited or using them to make profits for
> themselves?
>
> Matilda is creating a community in a variety of ways and that is a
> very positive thing.
>
> steve
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:19:11 +0100
> From: "Kathleen Holliday" <otter at blueyonder.co.uk>
> Subject: [matilda] Doug the man and atw
> To: <matilda at lists.aktivix.org>
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> "This mailing list is definitely a pain in the arse sometimes. But the
> list isn't everything that happens at Matilda - it's just somewhere
> where the more long-winded of us thrash out our sometimes very tedious
> arguments. Judging what Matilda achieves by these emails is a bit like
> measuring the output of a factory by the conversations that go on in
> the canteen."
> Beaurocrasy eh? Long winded arguments, wow you sound so Important and
Super Cool.
>
> The content of conversation in a factory canteen is made by it's workers.
The output is produced by it's workers, they are directly related. Unless of
course you think the white collars count for something.
>
> "Your remarks are a reminder that we waste too much energy on silly
> inward-focused arguments"
> Beaurocrasy again! A symptom of capitalism.
>
> " If your political theory is in denial
> about the basic ridiculousness of human beings"
> No it isnt. I feel we all have a sacred human presence but many of us
don't recognise it in others
>
> "If you had a lot of power, with the same
> attitude, it would probably make you genocidal."
> I have enough power to change my immediate suroundings as does everyone if
only they knew they did.
>
> "2. What fantastic things are you doing to change the world - except
> for criticizing everyone else for failing to change it?"
> I speak out and propose solutions, some of these are already being
implemented.
>
> ATW
> "Your thinking reveals an us and you division. Why do you feel so
> alienated? To me it seems like you are thinking of yourself as a
> consumer and have expectations of us, the providers."
>
> It isn't me that's labelling myself by belonging to a club, or
organisation. I'm just a survivor who is surviving. I chose my path and I am
not alienated, just extremely angry at the political, environmental and
commercial mess that is in our human-collective part of the life of this
beautiful planet.  It just seems to someone on the outside looking in that
clowns, parties, beaurocratic meetings and coffee making is not relevant and
is not taken seriously by the 200 people who do have real power to change
things. I can't put my acheivements on a public mailing list but I have done
some and made some changes for the better and influenced the way that some
people with more power than I have are doing things.
> The best thing anyone young enough with a concience can do is to do what I
said: do a politics degree and go into the heart of Mordor and chuck the
bloody ring down the mountain.
>
> I haven't had the time as a single mum with kids at school to come from
outside Sheffield to Matilda, I was thinking of doing you all a mural as I
have done a few before and am quite nifty at it but I may as well go and do
one at the old folks home.
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