[matilda] Re: Facilitation

[Mr Jase Malgod]

But who is to describe what is acceptible political views - those which are 
within the guidelines, or those whose views are in line with the majority of 
the group? Surely dissent and discussion should be allowed within the space 
without the threat of being effectively relegated from a position of 
responsiblity because a persons views does not fit in with the status quo. 
To openly explore views held is important, to close off open discussion is 
to create a vertical structure dominated by the majority. 

If the group is to be truly horizontal then there will be a diverse range of 
views which may be challenged on an equal basis. The threat to horizontality 
(in my opinion) comes from restricting debate. For example there are many 
people commited to non-(physical)violence against people, will the space 
exclude them? If they are willing to work with those who have differing 
views then I really don't see the problem. If they oppose such things but 
accept that in a horizontal group there is nothing they could do to stop 
such an occurance then surely they would have as much right to hold 
positions of responsiblity as anyone. 

Jason 

R&A writes: 

> "By the way the second matilda meeting we had was facilitated by someone
>> from outside the group so it is not all that unusual"
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> Only the second meeting. BTW the point of having external facilitators
> or not is quite important; consensus should be reached, imho. Are a
> facilitator's own political ideas relevant or not? Guess they are. Could 
> we accept as facilitator, say, someone who opposes immigrants and 
> immigration? Someone who opposes self-defence or the creation of the g8  
> legal support group, on the grounds of non-violence being "an absolute 
> priority"? Or say, someone who wants everyone else to follow given 
> guidelines for legal demos? Shouldn't we watch out for "the vertical 
> hidden within the horizontal"? 
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> cuthbert at riseup.net wrote:
>> By the way the second matilda meeting we had was facilitated by someone 
>> from outside the group so it is not all that unusual.  Plus jason is a 
>> skilled faciliator, although he hasnt been involved in matilda for as 
>> long as others he is quite well known and think we should be happy to 
>> have him in the group. 
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>> from cuthbert 
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>>> Why odd? Look at: 
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>>> "A BLUEPRINT FOR PUTTING ON EVENTS AT MATILDA 
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>>> Note: a 'matilda person' is someone involved in the collective who's 
>>> been to a decent number of meetings and is familiar to everyone else in 
>>> the collective." 
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>>> mind you, nothing personal against Jase or Jason, since this agreement 
>>> was made before. 
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>>> R&A 
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