[matilda] Re: Comrade Temp - Accomodation !

Sat Sep 17 12:48:51 BST 2005

  Whether or not someone can stay at matilda is not about legal questions
or if someone is going to contribute to matilda while they stay there. 
The reason many people (myself included) do not agree that someone
should be able to live* at matilda is because from other experiences
people have learned that the people living in squatted social
centres/cafe`s end up dominating and the needs of the space and the
collective can  be compromised too much due to the needs of the
individuals living there.
  We have seen that the LTT has been given special privileges and power
because he lives (and works) there on a day-to-day basis, this can be
dealt with because it is one selfless individual that we all know well
who is 100% dedicated to the needs of the space.  With someone else,
someone we dont know very well, someone who sees matilda as a squat**
and someone who may need other support/help it is easy to see how this
estimated one month stay could turn into 2, 3 or 4.  If james has cut
his ties to milton keynes to move to sheffield and has not been able to
find somewhere to live after one month, at what point will the matilda
collective kick him out?
  Furthermore, if we allow james to stay that sets a precedent, other
people in the group have had housing problems in the past and may have
housing problems in the future.  Should we let them stay?

  However i am not sure if james was even asking for accomodation at
matilda, i think he may have been asking if there are individuals
involved in the matilda project if they could provide him with somewhere
to live whil he looks for somewhere permanent.

  I personally think that the most important thing for us to do is to not
promise anything that we arent going to deliver on.  I dont want things
to end up like they have done the last couple of times james has come up
where people have looked after him because they were the only people
around.

from
cuthbert

*When i say live i do not mean someone that crashes over night but someone
who eats, sleeps and conducts their daily buissness from matilda.

**From what i gather matilda is not a squat as it is not classified as a
squat and there is still a sitting tenant

> James himself will be reading this, wont' he?
> There is a difference, i meant, between living (only the LLT has a right
> to live at the place) and staying as a guest (the LLT probably has the
> legal right to invite his friends, family, etc. to stay with him, at his
> home 111 matilda street). Then, this James is registered as living
> somewhere else, i mean registered as when you need to open a bank
> account, the bank needs some letters showing your current address to do
> that... There are many factors involved, including how long is a "crash
> in" meant to be. Yet, the LLT has not given his opinion (does not read
> emails). Perhaps James could ask the LLT personally and privately. Then
> that decision perhaps would not collide with the group's, and we will be
> helping someone in need (which was one of Matilda's purposes).
> It's very difficult to make any decision without the persons involved.
>
> I never meant that matilda could be used as a squatting place, but if
> Mark invited his mother, say, for a fortnight, would you say that she
> was squatting at matilda?
>
>
>
> Benjamin Major wrote:
>>
>>
>> Those of us who know who James is (and he has been to Matilda several
>> times, including in it's pre Matilda days, and he even joined us up in
>> Stirling at the G8) will know that it would probably be a great idea,
>> and very healthy for him, to move out of his home in MK as he lives with
>> his mother there who sounds like she has problems herself and he is
>> quite clearly in need of a new start in a new place. They will know that
>> he is a nice bloke.
>>
>> However, those people will also know that James is not equipped with
>> great social skills; the fact is that it is unlikely he would contribute
>> to the Matilda collective in any constructive way if he was to stay
>> there for a month. On the one hand it is really important that he is
>> around people who will have plenty of time for him, and he's welcome to
>> come to Matilda to visit anytime, but on the other hand he is also
>> likely to be a burden on Matilda's resources due to his lack of
>> understanding of communal living; at least this is the impression I've
>> always got (please correct me if I'm wrong).
>>
>> I think it would be a really nice gesture if someone could put him up
>> for a while (there is a chance that I would have if I wasn't living in
>> the family home presently). I've had the temptation whilst talking to
>> nice, gentle, homeless, unbelonging people to invite them along to
>> Matlida. But I know it is a temptation that I cannot risk, because we
>> not equipped to provide social services to such people in need. But if
>> someone can give James some advice about moving to Sheffield, then
>> please do it!
>>
>> He needs to get of Milton Keynes and quick!
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>> From: "Mr Jase Malgod" <spodulike at freeuk.com>
>>> To: Our Means <futuretech68 at yahoo.com>
>>> CC: matilda at lists.aktivix.org
>>> Subject: [matilda] Re: Comrade Temp - Accomodation !
>>> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:51:24 +0100
>>>
>>> Hi James,
>>>
>>> The point is not the length of time but the use of Matilda as a place
>>> to stay. You would be living there as if it were a house, the group
>>> has agreed that Matilda should not be used for that purpose. Matilda
>>> can only be used as a temporary crash space, and only then for events
>>> at or around Matilda when there is someone around who is responsible
>>> to a collective and the group as a whole. Therefore an alternative
>>> will have to be found.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> Our Means writes:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>  well i wouldnt say i was living there, only a temporary basis of
>>>> around 1 month, before i find my own place in Sheffield.
>>>>  James
>>>>  0781 624 9286
>>>>
>>>> Helen and Nick <slendermeans1 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> If I remember rightly from the minutes or discussions
>>>> at one meeting at Matilda, it was stressed that noone
>>>> would be able to live at Matilda.
>>>>
>>>> Nick
>>>>
>>>>
>>> <snipped>
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